Did anyone notice Kenenisa Bekele's quotes on the front page about losing coordination? I found it interesting since the first major instance for me occurred it when was hot out.
Did anyone notice Kenenisa Bekele's quotes on the front page about losing coordination? I found it interesting since the first major instance for me occurred it when was hot out.
That's a sign of heatstroke.
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This is definetely a glut.med dysfunction problem.I have it also.Still trying to figure it out how it could be strengthened without TFL activation.
Have you tried to strengthen your transversus abdominis and multifidus?It is helping me.
i have had this for 2-3months now. It began when i was topping 100miles a week in training and runningreally well so i just pushed through it...then i got a stress fracture in my foot and havent run for 5 weeks. i have been doing a lot of glute med. exercises as well as normal core stability (Trans. abs, obliques and multifidus) It has helped soo much and i cant explain how much it has improved. even walking i have noticed it. i will probably now never go a day without doing some kind of glute strength to combat this problem. sounds fairly common...
what do you do?
This is the first time I have seen this post and I am totally amazed that there are so many people with the same problem as me!
I have also spent a rediculous amount of money on the problem with no real success. The only test that I would say came up positive was a nerve conduction study under stress (treadmill to bring on what I call the 'dead leg'), this identified a reduction in nerve conduction around the fibula head (right leg). I had a peroneal nerve release done (decompression surgery) with no success at all.
It is really interesting to hear that people believe clockwise running can really help the problem as it is something I have never tried.
I have had small amounts of relief from nerve stretches every day. Slump stretches and nerve mobilisation in particular. I have also strengthened my calfs and soleus (eccentric raises) as much as possible to eliminate the foot drop and overpronation that occurs as my foot starts to splay out. Balancing on my tip toes everyday has also helped. Last year I managed to complete my first 3km without the problem and ran 8:06. I got over excited then and ran a 5km but ran 73/73/74 for my last 3 laps resulting in a 14:18. I can run tempo's now up to 4 miles at 5:05 pace without the symptoms but anything over that and the problem starts to coccur. Progression runs have had less of an irritating effect.
Mine has certainly improved but the more I irritate it the worse it gets. After I have really lost the co-ordination in it it will take me 48hrs to lose the fatigue/nervey sensation in my leg.
I will keep reading this post in anticiapation for the miracle cure. Thanks!
Off to the track to run around the wrong way now!
One more "loss of coordination thread" alumn chiming in; it seems my problem has been healed by switching from H-Streets back up to Nike Streaks. This is after I decided to look at the loss of coordination/weakness/'floppy leg' as a stride problem originating with the hips. I tried to concentrate on keeping my hips symmetrical on my runs and changed footwear as described.
Hope this helps.
I am doing a series of exercises daily totalling around 30-40mins.
1. standing on one leg pressing against the wall, knees bent. 3mins on both legs.
2. lateral leg raises with an exercise band (high resistance) 2x10reps each leg
3. "clam shells" knees bent and together on the ground, lifting one towards the midline with exercise band. 2 x 20 each leg
4. 4-5mins Plank with one leg alternating every 30secs
5. lying on back raising legs using trans-abs
6. calf raises 2x20 each leg
does your pelvis ever get back to normal.i have been walking sideways with the band and my glute med is really getting tight.i see my knees which at 1 time where almost facing each other are moving more towards my middle toes.my pelvis is still messed up.my left tfl is 2x the size as my right and it looks like it is still shifted down and to the left.
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does your pelvis ever get back to normal.i have been walking sideways with the band and my glute med is really getting tight.i see my knees which at 1 time where almost facing each other are moving more towards my middle toes.my pelvis is still messed up.my left tfl is 2x the size as my right and it looks like it is still shifted down and to the left.
I had this. I stretched my overdeveloped TFL and strengthened my underdeveloped TFL with a lunge stretch.
So, for you - right foot forward in a lunge, lean towards the right TFL - at the same time stretching the left TFL by slightly inverting the foot of the left leg. Hold for 1-2 minutes, do it several times a day. Never stretch the right quad or TFL. Stretch only one side for 3-4 weeks. really worked for me.
"After I have really lost the co-ordination in it it will take me 48hrs to lose the fatigue/nervey sensation in my leg"
Yep, this is exactly what happens to me. For over a year I noticed that my left leg feels a little weak and weird when I walk slowly, especially after hard days, but I learned after taking a few days off from running that this is just a symptom from running to the point of the loss of coordination. In other words, when I don't run, my walking is fine.
I'm still following Egoscue. It is very time consuming at 70 minutes per day. I send postural photos every two weeks and a therapist analyzes them. The good news is that my posture is improving. Of course, I have no real proof that this is what is causing my problem in the first place....but it can't hurt and I've tried just about everything else. I'm also trying to minimize running to the point where the problem occurs...I used to do 22-23 minute tempo runs, now I cut them down to 18. There is definitely a "carryover effect" when you're running on drained legs.
I'm thinking about getting a biomechanical gait analysis at a motion laboratory...maybe it could help with the diagnosis, but on the other hand the last thing I need right now is more excercises to work on.
what is it like when you just do easy runs, very slow?
16x wrote:
what is it like when you just do easy runs, very slow?
I think it really depends on the surface...for instance, if I ran easy on a flat path or track, I can definitely feel something, it's not too bad but it's there...kind of like a bit of choppiness in the stride of my left leg - right at the point where my leg is up and then comes back down.
Then there are days where I don't notice anything at all, like on a dirt path or cambered, hilly road. It also feels a lot better when I wear new shoes with cushioning.
track dude wrote:
16x wrote:what is it like when you just do easy runs, very slow?
I think it really depends on the surface...for instance, if I ran easy on a flat path or track, I can definitely feel something, it's not too bad but it's there...kind of like a bit of choppiness in the stride of my left leg - right at the point where my leg is up and then comes back down.
Then there are days where I don't notice anything at all, like on a dirt path or cambered, hilly road. It also feels a lot better when I wear new shoes with cushioning.
I sort of had to run for several months on trails that were not flat, and just really go slow so I could go longer, you know, just while in treatment - maybe you could go slow and stay off the roads for the next few months....?
sounds like the TFL on the left is pulling your femur down and to the outside, and when your leg gets to the push off point, it can't go back very far - I remember this.
16x wrote:
sounds like the TFL on the left is pulling your femur down and to the outside, and when your leg gets to the push off point, it can't go back very far - I remember this.
and Egoscue will treat this?
yes, but a slow process, much slower than you or I would like. I found an excellent osteopath - speeded up the process and rebalanced the two sides. He used a 3/8 lift in my tight TFL side, which allowed me to reeducate the over stretced TFL side and it worked immediantly. every try this?
a heel lift? I experimented about a year ago with a heel lift on my left. It was only on one run and I didn't notice any improvement and that was the last of it. I was worried that it would screw something else up.
Maybe I should try an osteopath, although I wouldn't know who to go to. I never hear anything about them in my area, good or bad.
I was late seeing this thread but thought I would weigh in anyway since I struggled with this problem for over 15 years.
It all started in 1985. I was in 29:00 10K shape and was testing my fitness at a local 10K. I went through the first 3 miles right at 14 flat then I started feeling numbness in my right hamstring and loss of coordination. I struggled through the next mile then shut it down and jogged to the finish. I've had the problem ever since. Just like clockwork I would get numbness then loss of coordination at race pace 10 – 15 minutes into a 10K or 5 minutes into a 5K either on the track or roads. I've seen every practitioner known to man including Chinese medicine doctors and chiropractors. Chiropractors are of little help. Spend the money on deep tissue massage. I've had numerous MRI's and bone scans. While working in healthcare I would run my problem by physicians I would run into at work or in the gym and finally one said he might know what the problem was. He said that there is a common over-use injury related to cycling and in some cases runners where their iliac artery under stress from running will lose its ability to expand and supply the leg with needed blood. He said that while sedentary there are no symptoms and that if tested for blood flow problem the results will be negative but if tested under stress, blood flow imbalances will occur showing differences between the legs. Sure enough, I had my legs tested by running on a treadmill before the test and there were imbalances. Unfortunately, the only known cure at the time was surgery to graft a vein from my calf to the artery thus expanding the blood flow. Since I was already in my mid-30’s and was not experiencing any day to day problems I elected not to have the surgery and just not worry about racing anymore. I realize I have offered no solution to this problem for anyone on the list that has it. I would recommend seeing a vascular specialist. The attached article describes the problem. Notice how the test must be done immediately after stress in order to produce the negative results.
“Iliac artery. One patient had a lesion of the external iliac artery that resulted from competitive cycling. The
patient was an Olympic-class cyclist with increasing times in his trials resulting from fatigue in his left thigh
at high speeds. Results of a physical examination and ankle/brachial indices (ABIs) at rest were normal.
Noninvasive testing immediately after exercising to the point of producing symptoms, however, revealed that
his left leg ABI decreased to 0.39. An arteriogram demonstrated an area of stenosis and redundancy in the
external iliac artery with otherwise normal arteries. The patient was explored through a left lower quadrant
retroperitoneal incision. The external iliac artery was completely mobilized from small branches that were tethering
the artery to the psoas muscle. The elongated artery was shortened and the stenosis repaired with a saphenous
vein patch angioplasty. He was instructed to avoid any strenuous activity for 6 weeks. He was followed up at 1
month with repeat noninvasive testing before and after exercise and then biannually.”
I just read all the new posts and thought I'd check in as well. Lately I haven't been losing coordination in my quad persay, but rather my upper hamstrings, and in particular my inner hamstrings and adductor muscles will cramp up on me if I try to run fast or for a long time. I've been doing some glute and core exercises which seem to be helping somewhat. Also, it may or may not be helping me since I'm doing so many other things as well, but strides after my runs seem to help things out.
16x,
Do you have any idea as to what could be causing me to wake up every morning with extreme stiffness and tightness in my left leg? It is mostly in my outer quad and near where my IT band inserts into my knee. Also my upper calf and outer upper hamstring are affected, but not quite to the same extent. It seems to loosen up somewhat throughout the day from walking around and my own efforts to loosen it. I'm not entirely sure it's my IT band that is the cause, but I really don't know. If you have any insight let me know...thanks.