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stillnotthesame

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/20/2011 5:28PM - in reply to She weighed 250

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The PSAC will take a few years to get to where it was last year. I definitely believe this will be a down year for PSAC xc as a whole. In my head I can think of at least 10 from the top 20 at the conference meet last year are gone. Ship, Lock Haven, and Edinboro are clearly not as powerful as they were last year which is a shame, hopefully this trend carried out throughout the whole nation and will allow another top 8 finish for a PSAC school.

Just Sayin

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/20/2011 6:48PM - in reply to stillnotthesame

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Love the overreactions to early in the season. Anybody who is worth anything come championship time either is training through right now or hasn't opened up yet.

Hoovis!

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/20/2011 7:06PM - in reply to Just Sayin

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I will agree with you on teh "training through" right now...that's the way it works...most teams are doing it. But, I'm not so sure about the "hasn't opened up yet" part of the equation.

When I look at past Septembers in the PSAC, it seems pretty unusually for a team to just sit somebody out of early races. They may not race a bunch...they may even run an occassional race in training shoes...but, rarely do they sit perfectly healthy runners.

This certainly happens at some schools, but it is my impression that Coach Watts, Russell, & Spence haven't traditionally done this in a big way, unless there is somebody who is either a.) injued or b.) somebody who was injured and is now back running again, but is a bit behind where they ideally would want to be at this stage so they hold them back.

Hoovis

Just Sayin wrote:

Love the overreactions to early in the season. Anybody who is worth anything come championship time either is training through right now or hasn't opened up yet.

Hoovis!

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/20/2011 7:07PM - in reply to rupptheguppy

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Hey rupptheguppy -- if you don't know what your PSAC is, that's a bit of a personal problem. Not sure the letsrun boards are the place to figure that one out :)

rupptheguppy wrote:

What is this PSAC? This thread makes no sense to me

PSAC STRONG

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/21/2011 3:10PM - in reply to Hoovis!

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My opinion - the PSAC definitely isn't as strong at the top. While this may be a bad thing for competing at nats, it will be great for PSACs/Regionals. It gives those teams who were at the front of the drop off hope that maybe they can snag that third spot for nats. The gap between the top 3 and the rest is definitely narrowed, leaving an opportunity for schools like ESU and SRU to put together a race and sneak into nationals - something we wouldn't have seen in the past few years.

Saying how it is

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/21/2011 4:35PM - in reply to PSAC STRONG

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And why would we want a team to "sneak" into nationals with no chance of doing anything? The experience?? Nah, ESU and SRU are good d1 women's cross teams. The real question is could a team combined of Neely Spence, Elicia Anderson, Rosie Mascoli, and two other top PSAC girls be a top 10 PSAC team?. I say yes.

Continuing with the ignorant negativity that really isn't needed....Blah Blah Blah the teams haven't showed anything yet. I will tell you this much, SHIP- No where even close to the caliber they were last year, unless Schelander and Gillette have serious team putting on the back capabilities. I haven't even heard of their number 3 through 7 guys. LHU- Where to start..Mitch Miller, looks great, which is terrible for Lock Haven. Seriously, has that guy ever come through when it matters? I think he may be the biggest choke artist in the PSAC. And Zondlo not racing is definitely not a good thing. I would bet he redshirts this year. Josh Gainer being your third guy is not a strong LHU team, even if you have Monroe being your number one guy..Monroe has the potential to be a huge talent, I hope he is...but good lord is he running monster times for how young he is. Hopefully Russell is being smart with him. I would talk bad on Edinboro but somehow they always have some randoms do something amazing. Then again, maybe Ship and LHU ruining Edinboros national streak took some life out of old man Watts. So there you have it, the PSAC this year is a bit weak.

formerPSACerrr

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/23/2011 8:42AM - in reply to Saying how it is

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While it does seem that the PSAC is a little softer this year than in years past, I still think that come time for PSAC's the action up front will heat up and we will see some great performances. It's hard to replace guys like Hahn, Beegle, Hilton, Stetler, Johnson, etc. in just one year. It will take a little while for some younger guys to step up, but the PSAC will bounce back and we will definitely see another PSAC team in the top-8 at nationals soon. With guys like Monroe leading the conference, it will force the other teams to step up their game, or be left in the dust.

I think the battle up front on the men's side, individually, could get very interesting. If Monroe runs like he did in outdoor track, he's going to be VERY tough to beat. But, Anderson ran very well at the end of last cross country season, and if he regains that kind of form, we could see him in the top-15 at nationals. Don't count out Schelander and Gillette from Ship, with those two working together it wouldn't surprise me to see them pull out a 1-2 finish at either PSAC's or Regionals. I think Monroe will ultimately be the top guy at the end of the season this year. Just this year though. Because as we all now, Russell will burn him out and Monroe will start a downward spiral his last two years. Russell must get coaching advice on how to handle talented guys from Dave Smith from OSU.

really

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/25/2011 1:51PM - in reply to rupptheguppy

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http://i.imgur.com/jeKwF.jpg

When I win the super bowl, I'm going to Doug Watts Land!

let's be real

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/25/2011 6:09PM - in reply to Saying how it is

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You say those girls could be top ten in the PSAC this year like it hasn't been true for the last however many years. The conference isn't strong through ten teams. almost no conference is. stop saying dumb things to make you sound like you're cool. you're just upset you're not going anywhere

psack

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/26/2011 10:11PM - in reply to let's be real

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Who will be the top PSAC team at Paul Short??????

P.S.A.C.

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/27/2011 4:48AM - in reply to psack

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With Ship and Lock Haven men in the Gold race, this will be interesting to watch.
Ship women will be the top PSAC team easy. Hope they can hold up well against the DI teams.
The problem with both the Ship men and women is that while they both have solid 1-2 punches, their #3-5 runners seem to be a little shaky. Graduation has hurt both of them.

Core2

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/27/2011 1:25PM - in reply to P.S.A.C.

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As an outside observer, it seems that it should be a pretty good match-up between the Ship and Lock Haven men. Ship was right on Haven at Kutztown while (apparently) just doing a workout, but Haven should have their big-guns in Monroe and Zondlo back for the race. Should be interesting.

4700th

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/27/2011 8:56PM - in reply to Core2

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round number

songbird sweet

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/28/2011 4:32PM - in reply to 4700th

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Anyone know how the Lehigh course holding up with the rain??? Teams going could easily be seeing fast times rolled out there, unless it's muddy like it was last year.

pea sack

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/29/2011 7:05PM - in reply to songbird sweet

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PSACs have been moved to Lock Haven!

Oouucchh

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/30/2011 12:26PM - in reply to pea sack

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Anybody see Paul Short results? Both Ship and Lock Haven got spanked (33rd and 39th out of 45 teams in the gold race, respectively). LHU had guys in the gold race running in the 28s. Their #5 was running 5:30 miles. I realize Zondlo and Monroe didn't run, but this still doesn't look good all. They may not even qualify for nats.

Not Luxx

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/30/2011 4:05PM - in reply to Oouucchh

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Lock and Shipp looked like shit, I dont know course conditions but I'm hoping they had to swim at one point.

don't hate

RE: ........PSAC....... 9/30/2011 5:23PM - in reply to Not Luxx

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the course was muddier than your mom's bed sheets after i pull out. times can't be judged, only places.

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