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RE: XC Nationals 12/30/2010 5:17PM - in reply to PeeSonmysACk

PeeSonmysACk wrote:

This post is aimed at "What Else" Hence the fact it says "Reply to What Else"

...so I want to start off by saying that you're a complete idiot. You probably haven't ever been to a conference meet and actually watched the distance races based off of what was said in your last post. I've been to 7 so far

1. Bryan Beegle is a multiple time PSAC champ, there is no debate here and the fact that you think it is debatable just reassures me of how dumb you are. Right, but we're looking at where people are now. He didn't have a dominant year where he was ahead of his team, instead he consistently finished with his pack (which isn't a knock against him or his pack, they were pretty damn good this year)
2. Sean Stetler- was the indoor 3k champ in 8:25 (Bud was in that race), and he has run 14:30's for 5k. Both are events that Bud runs, and Bud has lost to him in both. No debate here either. You're cherry-picking and switching around my argument to fit your own counter-argument. I said Bud focuses on the 800, 1500/Mile, and Steeplechase, hence the reason I restated that multiple times to make sure people got it right the first time, but ignorance is bliss.
3. Matt Gillette- got outkicked in the DMR...once. Big deal, Gillette has run 3:55 for 1500 and 14:54 for 5k, both PR's are better than Bud's. PLUS he actually shows up when it matters at PSAC's and scores points. Bud scored 0 outdoors. End of story. Again, I'm going by what shape they're in now, I can't speak for where Gillette is at the moment, but Bud ran 1:56 and 4:18 off a few weeks of base training. He obviously is not the same runner he was last year. I would guess with his speed and talent, he'd win any race this year that came down to a kick.
4. Stephen Schelander- Also has run 3:55, and has run 14:50 for 5k. Both PR's better than Bud's. Look how he did outdoors last year, 4th in the 1500 and 3rd in the 5k at PSAC's. Bud scored 0. Not even a question. Again, my argument has been for the events Bud runs. He ran one 5k last year, that's not a focus, that's a dabble. Ultimately Bud will be a great mid distance runner, namely the 1500/mile and steeplechase events. That one 14:58 5k he ran is irrelevant to this argument. Sorry
5. Brandon Boyer- Doesn't have great PR's, but he is a great 10k guy and an all-American in cross. Bud runs the 5k, so does Boyer, i'll take a XC all-American over a sophmore with nothing to his name in a 5k race anyday. The nod goes to Brandon. Again, Bud ran a 5k; he's focusing on the Steeple. Maybe with a better base he'll run more 5k's, but until then, he's not a 5Ker.
6. Jake Sitler- Bud runs the steeple and has run 9:13, but Jake ran 9:23 at the conference meet and got 4th and came up cluth with the points that his team needed to get the win. Where was Bud? Probably at prom with his HS girlfriend, that automatically makes Jake better. DEBATE OVER! Are you really trying to make an argument here? You argue like a 10 year old. Bud has run faster in the steeple. It's irrelevant that he didn't run it at conference. He still ran 10 seconds faster than Sitler ever did, and just as fast(or close) as Beagle did his freshman year. So what the guy ended up going to prom, his place in that race had no bearing on anything, no matter what the outcome. He wasn't going to win, "All-PSAC" is a rather empty award, so the guy was a good boyfriend and made it back home in time to make his GF happy. He's actually not with the same girl anymore, so that shouldn't be a factor this year, but come on man, how is that help your argument? It doesn't, it just makes you sound like an ass who hasn't really looked at anything subjectively because you're so far up Shippensburg's ass.

I'm also getting sick of blanket statements like "BUD NEVER SHOWS UP AT CONFERENCE, LOOK AT THE RESULTS!!!" because

A) The kid is only in the middle of his sophomore year
B) Is starting to show his upside already, with a good unfocused early season meet at Bucknell and then Kent State.
C) How many of our conference's great runners had average Freshman years and then broke out their Sophomore years? That seems to be the name of the game for schools like Lock Haven and Edinboro. Isn't it possible Bud is also making that jump?

So in conclusion, stop trying to debate if you're not going to look at all sides. This isn't the freakin' Mid-term elections. We're a little more grown up than that.

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