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In another thread there was a suggestion that in some of the top marathons somebody was throwing down a 4:20 mile to break the race open in the 22 mile region. I hadn't previously seen any case where this had actually happened. The two specific references that came up thereafter were to the 2004 Olympic marathon and last year's NYC marathon. In the case of the 2004 race at Athens, Baldini strung together an entire final 12K at 4:39 pace, which is pretty awesome, but I don't find any record of a 4:20 in there. Perhaps somebody has seen more detailed splits than the ones that are available for every 5 or 10 K for that race? I couldn't find any. In the case of last year's NYC marathon, according to the story on the NYCM website (as pointed out by an alert poster on the other thread) Hendrick Ramaala dropped a 4:21 17th mile. I'd like that number better if I could find real data reflecting it instead of just a news story, but it is a pretty staggering feat if taken at face value. Are there other cases with official results posted to back them up? Khannouchi was interviewed a few years back and talked about his long runs that are progressive, starting very slow and ending very fast, dipping down into 4:20 pace or thereabouts. But the finishing times that I can find for him show his breakaway splits from some of his Chicago victories to be in the 4:38 range. Ramaala's split sounds almost unbelievable, and the NYCM site doesn't have mile splits recorded. So that leaves me wondering whether it can really be accurate...is anyone aware of the provenance of this split? The half to 20M and 20M to finish splits aren't much help, but they show the average pace over those miles to be 4:54 and 4:57 respectively. Perhaps equally of interest, is anyone aware of a similar split elsewhere in the annals of marathoning? If KK at his prime was breaking away with high 4:30's, running 15+ seconds faster seems like it must be absolute suicide... But I'm a (very) slow guy who just likes the sport, so what would I know about that? |
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Ramaala's split was sub 4:20 but remember that it basically consisted of a flat bridge section, a long downslope coming off the bridge and then more flat or downslope after that But it was sub 4:20 |
| road stumbler |
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Inaccuracy of split markers and wind/downhill considerations make this a moot issue. Suffice it to say there have no doubt been legit sub-4:30 splits (i.e. 1/2 WR marathon pace) |
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Mate, you took long enough to write that... I figure someone owes you a response! I think the Ramaala split is accurate. The race was on t.v. and I remember the commentator saying something about a 4:21 mile. What's more incredible is the surges that he was throwing in. He started running a ridiculously hard fartlek right in the middle of that race. Cheruiyot (?) was in great shape, but he tried to go with Ramaala and he ended up paying for it (and took 3rd I believe). Ramaala somehow held on and only lost out to Tergat in the dive for the line. |
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mile 17 was my fastest split at new york, too. that mile is net downhill. coming off the bridge you have a BIG drop into manhattan. plus you have the huge crowds on first ave pumping you up. |
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My high school coach told me us a story of some guy back in the 80s, an african, who dropped a sub 420 mile at Boston at mile 20 to break the field and win the race... dropping from 450 pace to 420 pace for a surge, naturally he ran away with the race |
| trhamon |
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Cheruiyot came 4th more than a minute after Meb. I don't figure anyone owes a response to me just because I'm long-winded...but thanks for the response. I would love to have watched that race. I wonder whether I'll be able to make any way to get updates on Boston or London... Probably not Boston because it is during work. |
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October 25, 1981 Alberto Salazar ran a 4:18 mile up first avenue en route to a 2:08:13. |
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Pinto did something like this at London around year 2000. |
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BS alert |
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What? What is a legit split? |
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I have NYC 2005 taped. One announcer said 4:20 the other said 4:21 for mile 16-17. Either way it's incredible to watch. |
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Tergat held back, saved his energy and was able to outsprint Ramaala. Ramaala ran that mile too quickly. |
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Mile 16-17 at NYC might be the fastest 2nd half mile for all 35,000 competitors. You cannot underestimate the adrenaline pumping that occurs when you fly downhill off the bridge and are greeted by 5-deep crowds. It's unbelievable. Too bad it's not an 18mile race. |
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I heard Paula Radcliffe once dropped a 4:15 in a marathon. |
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I heard lindgren ran a 4:01 24th mile in his sub 2:00 marathon 26 miler. I think he clocked himself at 4:00.54 |
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from the NYC marathon website: "So it was no surprise when Tergat hung back as Ramaala led a charge up First Avenue in Manhattan, running an astonishingly fast 4:21 17th mile." |
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That 16 to 17 mile along with the down hill off the Q'bro Bridge and basicly flatish part on First Ave(with the creering crowds) has a nice drop from 71 St to 77 St(17 mile point) can and has produce fast splits. |
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...that mile split Salazar ran that day was more like a 4:33 around mile 16 to shake off a Mexican runner, who was Salazar's last challenger en-route to his 8:13... |
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Nah. She did drop a deuce one time, though. |
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