Bogus Hardee Record

dude, it's only one point.

after his effot, i'm sure pappas wouldnt mind giving him the record

it's not exactly simple. The UT uniforms are white, as is the line on the track, distinguishing them is sometimes difficult. It's very easy for the two to be confused.

BTW, the lynx photo is on Delta Timing's website. (I'd post a link, but they've exceeded their bandwidth)

First; it is not "just a point" it is 3 points, and if you guys look at the picture on the deltatiming site, it is pretty clear distinction between the TX uniform and the track.

This is pretty much a hometown record.

And I'm sure Tom would hand him the record properly earned.

Looks pretty easy to read from here....

DecaIntegrity wrote:

First; it is not "just a point" it is 3 points, and if you guys look at the picture on the deltatiming site, it is pretty clear distinction between the TX uniform and the track.

This is pretty much a hometown record.

And I'm sure Tom would hand him the record properly earned.

It's not just three points; it's .01 secs. And since, by rounding rules, 10.36 is any value greater than 10.35 (e.g. 10.351 = 10.36), there may be less of a difference than you think.

P.S. There are no time strips on the photo.

P.P.S. The colour of the track or the uniform is irrelevant. The time is taken from the photo, which is automatically produced as the athlete crosses the line.

From the daily texan

After the 1,500 was complete, Hardee was one point shy of the record, so meet officials went back to check each event for possible mistakes. It was determined that Hardee's time in the 100-meters on Day 1 was actually .01 second faster than his collegiate record-setting time of 10.36, shaving it down to 10.35. That .01 second gave him three points to his total, enough to break the record.

"Any time a record is close to being broken, I always go back and verify the results," said meet official John Chaplin. "We re-read the photos from the running events. We found that in the 100 meters, Trey's time read 10.35. The pictures will be sent to USA Track and Field and the NCAA, and the records committee will give its final approval."

It seems like USATF and NCAA will looks at the photos and make the decisions.

My question is, whose looking back at pappas times to see if he was shorted a 100th in the 100

This does have precedent, going back and reviewing the finish pictures. They review all of them, and if the time is longer on some than previously noted, they change that too.

Pappas' record was done under less windy conditions; the wind out there helped Hardee more than a little bit - however, he is also still recovering from his left ankle injury. If he does what he's capable of at NCs, the record should be dispensed with indisputably.

It was noted in the article that Hardee broke the ncaa decathalon 100m record.

I thinking of asking my coach to let me enter a decathalon to break the NCAA dec 1500m record. What do you think, id be a record holder.

also, where would I find what that record is?

You'd have to do all the other stuff, what are the rules for decathlon? Let's say the above poster just completely skipped pole vault and hurdles because he would most likely hurt himself, would he get 0 points or be DQ'd?

I don't think it works that way. I'm not a decathlete, but I seem to recall there being a rule that you had to score a minimum total amount in order for a record in any of the events to count. Prior to this, Paul Cummings set the 1500m decathlon record while in high school.

I could do pole vault depending on opening height. I did 10 ft in 10th grade. Id embarrass myself in the hurdles though.

worst case, i no heght in PV and HJ but ill still complete it

wivverdance wrote:

P.P.S. The colour of the track or the uniform is irrelevant. The time is taken from the photo, which is automatically produced as the athlete crosses the line.

This is flat out untrue.

I've been a professional timer using Lynx systems exclusively for 8 years.

There are several cases with BW and color cameras and strong light where white uniforms can easily blend in with a well painted finish line. The leading edge of the torso can be difficult to distinguish.

This didn't happen in this case. But a very, very slight movement of the timers hand can mean the difference of 1/100 of a second.

You're assuming that the software can distinguish the finish time. That's not the case. The "TIME" that is automatically produced as an athlete crosses a line ata big meet is created by Photoeyes located immediately BEHIND the finish line. Some times this time is the same as the finish time, but often it is 1 or 2 100ths slower than the official time.

The software itself will not post any times. The official timer has to do it all.

John Chaplin huh... as the meet official? They still let him officiate after what he did to the hogs at regionals a few years ago. This guy really knows his stuff.