deena needed help

hahaha ... according to some, all non-american who does remotely well is on something.

you just have to look at the baseball situation to understand the state of doping in this country.

wejo wrote:

In a men's race I get to see the leaders at the end, not some pacer right in front of them.

TERGAT. KORIR. BERLIN. WR.

Yes BUT, Korir could have, and would have (if given the chance), beat Tergat a

AND he would have the WR...

Clint wasnt going to set an AR, ...by paceing Deena to one..

i promise you that had Tergat died in the last few miles of of his race.....he would have gotten second..

That , in my mind, is why Tergats record means more than Paulas

Wake up.

Sammy Korir was under orders from the Rosa camp not to beat Paul Tergat. Korir paced Tergat, and anyone who saw that race live, or on video can clearly see that Korir could have won the race - if he had been allowed to. The fix was in - Tergat was planned to win in a WR.

just to clarify (not that it needs to be really), the 25 mile marker and "One mile to go" marker were too close together. i would assume the "One mile..." marker was the one that was incorrectly placed. i was walking that stretch and they looked much too close to each other, so i roughly timed one of the top runners from one marker to the next and it took him about 30 seconds between the two.

Excuse me again. Isn't this a race that pays for pacers for the men. Did they pay for wonen to pace the women also? It's ok for the men to cheat. Seems like a bunch of guys who still don't want women in "their race."

Berliner wrote:

Wake up.

Sammy Korir was under orders from the Rosa camp not to

beat Paul Tergat. Korir paced Tergat, and anyone who

saw that race live, or on video can clearly see that

Korir could have won the race - if he had been allowed

to. The fix was in - Tergat was planned to win in a

WR.

Please explain how you can clearly see this.

[quote]where do you draw the line? wrote:

Sorry, I guess I\'m a little slow, but it\'s still not

clear enough for me. How do you explain rabbits

(\"escorts\") in track races, pacers for men and women

in marathons, sharing a water bottle with a

competitor, the list goes on and on. Do you think

teammates running side by side in XC ever share

information about the competition after looking back

during a race? Have you ever noticed the Kenyans and

Ethiopians sacrificing themselves during a track or XC

race for the benefit of an individual or the team? Is

that any less ethical if they aren\'t trying to run

their own individual best race? What if Meb and

Culpepper had been together late in the Olympics and

Meb looked back and shared with Culpepper what he saw?

Is it unethical? What about coaches coaching from

the sideline? What if the coaches of some athletes

aren\'t able to attend, should the other coaches stay

mum during a race?[quote]

Yes, you do seem a little slow. As for all of your

examples...

Rabbits in track: competing in the same competition

with those aided and those potentially beaten by the

aided runner.

Male pacers for men and female pacers for women:

competing in the same competition with those aided and

those potentially beaten by the aided runner.

Teammmates in XC: competing in the same competition

with those aided and those potentially beaten by the

aided runner.

Kenyans and Ethiopians during track or SC: competing

in the same competition with those aided and those

potentially beaten by the aided runner.

Your hypothetical Meb and Culpepper Athens scenario:

competing in the same competition with those aided and

those potentially beaten by the aided runner.

VERRAN: ***NOT*** COMPETING IN THE SAME COMPETITION AS

KASTOR AND THOSE BEATEN BY HER AIDED PERFORMANCE.

Hope that helps.

[quote]

Deena has proven to be one of the classiest athletes

in our sport and she deserves better.[quote]

Actually, I think that she has proven the opposite on

Sunday. I\'m clearly not the only one. Sponsors won\'t

love it, either.

You had me up until the sponsors issue. Hansons, Brooks, Asics, Lasalle Banks and anyone else love the attention. A sponsor likes anything that keeps their name in the news for a longer period of time. The fact that this is being talked about (even negatively) nearly a week after the event is good for the sponsors. Everytime you mention one of the sponsors it is a "hit" for them and they are all measured positively.

did she needed help in london? what was the difference between her chicago race and her london race?

The difference was she began with, and held, a pace she could maintain for 26.2 miles in London.