Why do 15 minute 5k Guys think they're elite?

still trying myself wrote:

This is why when someone on the boards (something that could be used to create a closer and friendlier community in the running scene) bashes on people that are better than them, that have no respect, that criticize moves, tactics, coaches, workouts, AND equally shut down and demoralize slower runners for asking questions to gain knowledge to help themselves improve... it just pisses me off. Granted, I'm not losing sleep over any of this, and laugh it off mostly, but the cheap-shots taken far outnumber the constructive criticism and supportive compliments, and it can wear you a little thin if you let it bother you.

It's like, if you can't be nasty on the track, you might as well be nasty on the boards.

So this board has always been a festering cesspool of negativity then, huh?

Hey Brojos, you should be really proud of yourselves.

And how about changing that motto? Instead of "Where dreams become reality" you can put up something like "Where dreams are bashed and lifelong pursuits of excellence are derided, where elites flee from malicious libel and newbies cower in the corner".

I think that's more more fitting!

Are you the same dean-o who posts all those amazing Coe and Ovett vids? They are absolutely awesome. If so - much gratitude over here.

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Not many runners can reach 15 min for 5k. Now we need to think about what counts as "not many"? If millions of people actual run in races, then would it make sense to say that 1% is not many? Or do we need to reduce that to 0.1% ? You must be faster than 15 min to make the top 0.1% of runners.

To put this in perspective , the top 0.1% of income earners in the US start at about $2 millon. That seems elite? The top 1% starts at about $380k. At these levels one does stand out. However, compared to someone earning $20 million per year, it does not look like much. But not many people relatively speaking belong in these higher level groups. It seems reasonable to think think of them as elite as far as these categories are concerned.

Compared to everyone on LRC, they actually ARE elite.

Elite on the high level VS Elite on the collegiate level VS Elite on an international level.

Think about that

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I'm not that good I guess, 17:26, but I'm faster then most of the population and I place well at road races. I ran 17:12 in high school back in 2006 my senior year.

I think it should be considered being in the Top 100 or near it at each level.

High School Boys 100th- 15:13.7

Collegiate Men 100th- 14:05.38

World Men Elite 50th- 13:34.72 (Didn't really feel like hunting for top 100.. I got all of these off of Milesplit)

Best of the best:

High school boys top 25- 14:59.0

College men top 25- 13:49.6

world men top 25- 13:26.6

Wow. You responded to a post that's nearly 8 years old. But I guess you sure told him!

Engrish wrote:

fag wrote:

i hate all you people who just because you run a 14 minute minute 5k think your better than everyone else

i run an 18.15 5k, and im damn proud of it, got me a varsity letter

as a matter of fact, compared to about 99 percent of the world, im fast, i think im fast, and im not gonna think otherwise because your an @sshole

damn those 15 minute 5k runners, they suck, wow, 4.50 miles for 3.1 miles, again 99 percent of the world cant run under 5 minutes for 1 mile

some, emphasize 'some' because not all of the fast people on site but most are total stuck up @ssholes

Think YOU'RE better

Because YOU'RE an @sshole

You illiterate f'tard.

murunner wrote:

it is ok for a 15, 16, 17, whatever minute 5k person to think they are elite. you know why? because at some level they are. elite is just a relative term like many others. somebody running at a local level running 15 min 5k's will win almost every race they enter. does that mean they are elite in a regional (multi state area), national, or world class arena? obviously not just at 15 min for a male.

+1

There are state champions and local winners without a hope of a national final or even going to a trials meet. They are elite.

Hell, there are USATF medallists who will never make it past round 1 in a world event. They are elite.

Come to think of it, there are US champions who never contended for the win or even a medal at a world event (Hall). Of course they are elite.

It's all relative. Why worry about it? If someone calls a 16:00 guy elite, and you think you deserve more respect because you are a 15:00 guy, be positive and think how elite you must look to that observer.

Agreed that 13:00 guys ("true" elites) seem to treat 14:00 guys with more respect than 14:00 guys treat 15:00 guys (etc). A 16:00 masters guy has more in common with a 15:00 college guy than the 15:00 guy does with an OG finalist, and yet the elite will probably be nicer to the "jogger" than the 15:00 guy will.

classic wrote:

Not Elite wrote:

Here's the truth:

19 min. guys don't know this board exists.

17 min. guys envy the thought of conversing with 13 min. on this board?

15 min. guys think they're 13 min. guys.

13 min. guys look on this board for their name.

12 min. guys don't speak english. (except one from the outback)

classic

On the real, though.

Funny, because I could easily win a road race with a 19 minute 5k. Am I not competing?

I'm a 12 high minute 5k runner, but I just do it for fun, definitely not interested in fame.

dota wrote:

Not Elite wrote:

Those seem to be the most consumed in the sport, as well. Is it annoying to anyone else besides me?

Until ur ass can run 15:00 flat for the 5 k or faster than you may speak up.. until then. SHUT THE F*CK UP

This is probably the post of the millenium for letsrun.

I'm a long time poster and and ran only 15:10 or so. A ton of guys here, from Flagpole to malmo (brian, KMB, Runningart, smd, the brojos and on and on) won't give you the time of day--on any subject--because you didn't break 15 on a 5K. No matter what you've done other distances, other sports, or other aspects of your life. It boils down to a few seconds (a couple minutes in some cases!) in the 5K.

That sums up life here.

anyone faster than me is an a*hole who's probably doped

anyone slower than me is a talentless loser who should give up trying

Dean-O wrote:

This place always cracks me up. A bunch of 15 min guys who either a)say they suck or b) say everyone else sucks.

Here's the thing: it takes god given talent to run a 15:00 5k. I don't care how untalented you think you are, but you're faster than 99.99% of the population. I run with folks who are young, in good shape, run 60+ mpw, and can't break 18:00 for the 5k. They simply have no speed.

You forgot

C) Say they have no talent, but because they work so darn hard, they still compete with those who have talent.

This thread turns 10 years old in two days.

The reason they run that fast and think they are elite is because 1. They are and 2. They don't waste their time complaining about what times other people run on an internet chat board. They are in the weight room, running, cross training, resting, stretching, icing, etc... get your butt off the computer and you just might run fast too.

- 14:15 collegiate runner

Forgot c wrote:

Dean-O wrote:

This place always cracks me up. A bunch of 15 min guys who either a)say they suck or b) say everyone else sucks.

Here's the thing: it takes god given talent to run a 15:00 5k. I don't care how untalented you think you are, but you're faster than 99.99% of the population. I run with folks who are young, in good shape, run 60+ mpw, and can't break 18:00 for the 5k. They simply have no speed.

You forgot

C) Say they have no talent, but because they work so darn hard, they still compete with those who have talent.

And there's also:

d) Guys who say they're talented enough to run faster, but are allegedly too busy making 6 figures...but, interestingly, not so busy that they don't have time for doubles or daily postings on multiple threads.

Did that too wrote:

dota wrote:

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Until ur ass can run 15:00 flat for the 5 k or faster than you may speak up.. until then. SHUT THE F*CK UP

This is probably the post of the millenium for letsrun.

I'm a long time poster and and ran only 15:10 or so. A ton of guys here, from Flagpole to malmo (brian, KMB, Runningart, smd, the brojos and on and on) won't give you the time of day--on any subject--because you didn't break 15 on a 5K. No matter what you've done other distances, other sports, or other aspects of your life. It boils down to a few seconds (a couple minutes in some cases!) in the 5K.

That sums up life here.

??? Man, this is not true at all! Any woman who runs slightly above 15:00 is GREAT!

Ha! Just kidding. I couldn't care less what someone's 5,000 PR is, and I certainly don't hide the time of day from those who haven't broken 15:00.