How fast were your parents?

gggg wrote:

Show us the genes then

"Over the last seven Olympic men’s 100-meter races, all 56 finalists have been of West African descent. Only two non-African runners, France’s Christophe Lemaire, who is white, and Australia’s Irish-aboriginal Patrick Johnson, have cracked the top 500 100-meter times. There are no elite Asian sprinters—or, intriguingly, any from East or North Africa."

This has to be worth something.

Google ACTN-3/Fast Twitch Muscle Fibers in peoples of West African Descent

and shut up

Realism wrote:

gggg wrote:

Show us the genes then

"Over the last seven Olympic men’s 100-meter races, all 56 finalists have been of West African descent. Only two non-African runners, France’s Christophe Lemaire, who is white, and Australia’s Irish-aboriginal Patrick Johnson, have cracked the top 500 100-meter times. There are no elite Asian sprinters—or, intriguingly, any from East or North Africa."

This has to be worth something.

Google ACTN-3/Fast Twitch Muscle Fibers in peoples of West African Descent

and shut up

It MIGHT be worth something but it's very far from being conclusive and determining. Perhaps YOU should shut up until you learn some critical thinking abilities.

My parents were both athletic but non-runners. My dad has huge calves, but I have the tiniest calves I've ever seen, although they are still very sexy. Hence why I am a distance runner. 30 minute 10k guy for sure. I put the boots to the old timers.

Think about it logically then.

Tell me , why are Bolt and Rudisha virtually unbeatable?

Is it because they work harder than everyone?

Your telling me if Bolt really wanted to, he could have the WR in the 10K? How about Rudisha in the 100?

What's stopping these men?

My dad mostly played soccer in high school, but did run some track. He says his times were in the 400 52 flat & 1:57 for the 800.

My mom wasn't a runner she played only tennis. She does 5k & 10ks all the time, but walks them...

Mom was not athletic but hiked across England in her 70's. At 83, she still gets out and walks every day.

Dad was a running back in football and also a sprinter. He was "Most Valuable Player" in a small college conference and played semi-pro football ($50 per game).

My brother ran a 52 400m in hs and pole vaulted but again was more noted for football and wrestling where he was second in nation in AAU freestyle.

I'm not great in anything but have a wide range. I think my bests are 11.8 100m, 54.5 400m, both as a 30 yr old, 11:01 2 mile in hs, 19:04 5k, 9 1/8 miles in an hour, low 3:20's for my one marathon, 7:27 for 50 miles, 108+ for 24 hours, 42:18 at Badwater, all these at around 50 yrs old. In addition, when I was powerlifting in my mid 30's I had a competition squat of 369 (a 400 lb squat in the garage) and a competition deadlift of 507. I'm the same height as my dad (5'7") but skinnier (from as much as 170 as a powerlifter to 142 currently).

My father was a professional fighter (175 pounds) and my mother played basketball in high school. My mother remarried and had six other children. I was able to run 8 miles the first time I ever tried, and was capable of beating almost every guy on my high school team the first time out. I went 8:46 in the steeplechase; 3:45 1500; 1:49 800 meters; 24:11 for 5 miles; and 14:29 5K.

Each one of my brothers and sisters, like me, could walk onto the track and achieve success in events from 200 meters to cross country, but i was the only one to commit to the sport. My younger brothers had more ability than me, as their times were faster than mine when you compare what they were able to do when untrained. My son went 1:48 in the 800; 4:08 for 1600 and 9:15 for 3200 in high school, snd did this even though he absolutely did not like running. I also have neices and nephews who are physical marvels, can outrun all their friend, but do not want to compete (especially the girls).

Genetics makes it possible to achieve what others cannot. Work helps, but it does not make up for the genetic advantage that some have over others. What seems to be missing in my family is the DESIRE to want to run. The physical ability is not lacking.

I am fairly new to serious running but it is in my family's history. Aunt was a national class triathlete, another aunt was just a little bit slower than the first, another aunt was a DI scholarship runner at Drake in the early 80s, but my mother was the slowest on her high school track team. However we all have tested Vo2 max's over 80 (even my slow mother), mine is 89 if I recall properly. We also all have resting heart rates under 38 (even slow mother) and max's over 200. My dad was/ is chubby and more of a shot putter than a runner. I am 16 and run 1:58, 4:18, 9:18, and 15:20 off like 35mpw. Denying that genetics plays a role in potential is beyond ignorant. I know that I can thank my mom's parents for the scholarship that will come my way. Genetics for the win!

Dad - low 10 for 2 mile in high school, played hockey in college and played semi-pro until he was 60. Mom, not sure but her mother beat the KY high school boys champ in the 60m dash when she was in high school. She wasn't allowed to compete oficially because she was a girl.

Me, I did okay in high school and am doing well as a masters (sub 17 5k, sub 5 mile at age 46), but genetically, I'm more thankful for my IQ than any athletic gifts they bequeathed.

What bs is this? wrote:

Think about it logically then.

Tell me , why are Bolt and Rudisha virtually unbeatable?

Is it because they work harder than everyone?

Your telling me if Bolt really wanted to, he could have the WR in the 10K? How about Rudisha in the 100?

What's stopping these men?

What are you talking about? You want ME to think about it logically? How about YOU think about it logically? There is no existing proof or substantial evidence that genetics has anything to do with this. What's stopping them more than anything is.... time. Those guys have spent 10 years specializing. A logical person might conclude that one of the many factors is that they would have to spend another 10 years specializing in a new event.

gggg wrote:

What bs is this? wrote:

Think about it logically then.

Tell me , why are Bolt and Rudisha virtually unbeatable?

Is it because they work harder than everyone?

Your telling me if Bolt really wanted to, he could have the WR in the 10K? How about Rudisha in the 100?

What's stopping these men?

What are you talking about? You want ME to think about it logically? How about YOU think about it logically? There is no existing proof or substantial evidence that genetics has anything to do with this. What's stopping them more than anything is.... time. Those guys have spent 10 years specializing. A logical person might conclude that one of the many factors is that they would have to spend another 10 years specializing in a new event.

So how come nobody can beat them when their on top of their game?

Because a large majority of professional athletes work hard to get to where they're at. But what seperates them is genetics.

Thats why the likes of Blake, Gay, Powell, etc cannot take the world record from Bolt.

Dad ran a 4:39 high school mile record in 1943.

Amazingly, as soon as I ran a 4:35 my junior year, he noted his high school PR was 4:29.

As a freshman in college, I hit 4:22 and dad's college freshman time was reported as 4:19.

Although I did not run all through college, I improved to 4:18 (at which point dad claimed a PR at the same age of 4:14, which would have made him quite the college stud in the mid 40s).

Did I mention he's of Irish descent and has the gift of the gab?

What bs is this? wrote:

So how come nobody can beat them when their on top of their game?

Because a large majority of professional athletes work hard to get to where they're at. But what seperates them is genetics.

Thats why the likes of Blake, Gay, Powell, etc cannot take the world record from Bolt.

Because their training and preparation is better. There is nothing at all to support your genetics claim but you are so determined for it to be the reason.

And another thing, tell me why Christophe Lemaitre only has a PR of 9.92 . Are you telling me if he simply "works harder", he can run the world record of 9.58 ? If it were that easy, why wouldn't more professional track runners work harder to get a world record ? Since track is their careers , I'd assume they'd work as hard as humanly possible , because I assume obtaining the world record would have substantial benefits for them .

gggg wrote:

What bs is this? wrote:

So how come nobody can beat them when their on top of their game?

Because a large majority of professional athletes work hard to get to where they're at. But what seperates them is genetics.

Thats why the likes of Blake, Gay, Powell, etc cannot take the world record from Bolt.

Because their training and preparation is better. There is nothing at all to support your genetics claim but you are so determined for it to be the reason.

Bolt and Blake are training partners . Don't you think that if it were that simple, Blake would do whatever Bolt is doing to get the record from him?

Sorry to reply to my own post but I omitted the offspring. I have two daughters. The older one was second in league for cross country as a sophomore (small academic school league). The younger one was first in league as a freshman. The older one also had success in age group and high school swimming. Both have been to national championships in ultimate frisbee and the older one for lifeguards. The older one succeeds at everything she does in large part because of her competitive drive (mental drive) - which she got in large amounts from her mother. My wife survived 5 years of the Pol Pot regime - look it up. I think that trumps any athletic achievement.

What bs is this? wrote:

Bolt and Blake are training partners . Don't you think that if it were that simple, Blake would do whatever Bolt is doing to get the record from him?

You really haven't thought this out have you?

How long have each of them been running? And from what I can tell, Bolt is in danger of losing his records to Blake. But simply being training partners isn't the only other thing besides your genetics obsession. You'd have to evaluate their diets and activity levels before their official training started.

gggg wrote:

What bs is this? wrote:

Bolt and Blake are training partners . Don't you think that if it were that simple, Blake would do whatever Bolt is doing to get the record from him?

You really haven't thought this out have you?

How long have each of them been running? And from what I can tell, Bolt is in danger of losing his records to Blake. But simply being training partners isn't the only other thing besides your genetics obsession. You'd have to evaluate their diets and activity levels before their official training started.

So I guess what your saying is that people of non-African descent have horrible diets and low activity levels prior to their horrid training programs, considering the fastest recorded 100m time by a non-African descent person is 9.93 .

Also of note, that time wouldn't even make top 3 at the 2012 Jamaican Olympic trials .

The list, in case you were interested.

Obviously, people of African descent have better training programs than those of non-African descent.

What bs is this? wrote:

So I guess what your saying is that people of non-African descent have horrible diets and low activity levels prior to their horrid training programs, considering the fastest recorded 100m time by a non-African descent person is 9.93 .

Also of note, that time wouldn't even make top 3 at the 2012 Jamaican Olympic trials .

http://www.adriansprints.com/2011/07/lists-of-fastest-white-men-in-history.html

The list, in case you were interested.

Obviously, people of African descent have better training programs than those of non-African descent.

That's not what I said at all. You asked me specifically about the difference between Bolt and Blake. I can see that you have a habit of making far-reaching conclusions out of thin air.

The Jamaicans are faster than American blacks also. Jamaica and the Caribbean have a culture of sprinting. Just like South America and Europe have cultures of soccer.

Use your brain.