Bad Wigins wrote:Pretty much all of Rupp's best performances have been indoors. Maybe he has trouble with the pressure of big meets.
err...
what part of 26'48 & silver medal to follow did you miss ???
Bad Wigins wrote:Pretty much all of Rupp's best performances have been indoors. Maybe he has trouble with the pressure of big meets.
err...
what part of 26'48 & silver medal to follow did you miss ???
i have to laugh looking back at this thread
guys ridiculing my proposed 3'31 for a peak rupp & his upto then, very closely matched training partner goes, next year 3'28 !!!
other nonsense from someone ridiculing my proposition that 12'50 was a nonsense barrier & it woud be demolished if they got a 1/2 decent 4th km but they claimed it was some sort of "ultimate" barrier for current guys
very soon after start of this thread, they got a 1/2 decent 4th km & 1/2 dozen guys went < 12'50 & no mo or rupp in race !!!
Well I gotta say I am quite impressed by ventolin and his predictions. He called Rupp's recent 13:00. Gotta give him props for that.
This thread is full of win.
If I were to take bets on Rupp's eventual PR at even odds what time would I have to choose to get equal action on both sides? I would guess no faster than 12:52 and possibly as slow as 12:54.
Ventolin at no point would put any money on his 12:45 nonsense.
I'll have some of what your smoking....fastest Rupp can go on the juice is 12:49. Unless he a new dose...then yea.
ventolin^3 wrote:
i have to laugh looking back at this thread
guys ridiculing my proposed 3'31 for a peak rupp & his upto then, very closely matched training partner goes, next year 3'28 !!!
other nonsense from someone ridiculing my proposition that 12'50 was a nonsense barrier & it woud be demolished if they got a 1/2 decent 4th km but they claimed it was some sort of "ultimate" barrier for current guys
very soon after start of this thread, they got a 1/2 decent 4th km & 1/2 dozen guys went < 12'50 & no mo or rupp in race !!!
Americans have low expectations of their own distance runners. Maybe it's stupidity, or jealousy or both?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
This thread is full of win.
If I were to take bets on Rupp's eventual PR at even odds what time would I have to choose to get equal action on both sides? I would guess no faster than 12:52 and possibly as slow as 12:54.
Ventolin at no point would put any money on his 12:45 nonsense.
I wouldn't put any money on Rupp running anything faster than sub 13:30 before any race.
I would however feel confident putting money on Rupp going sub 12:55 if the pace were 10:20 or better at 5k
LM wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:This thread is full of win.
If I were to take bets on Rupp's eventual PR at even odds what time would I have to choose to get equal action on both sides? I would guess no faster than 12:52 and possibly as slow as 12:54.
Ventolin at no point would put any money on his 12:45 nonsense.
I wouldn't put any money on Rupp running anything faster than sub 13:30 before any race.
I would however feel confident putting money on Rupp going sub 12:55 if the pace were 10:20 or better at 5k
That's quite a pace.
what would entice you to bet for a lifetime PR? That's all the attempts he ever makes, not a one off.
12:45 is fast. Lagat could not do it. How could Rupp?
"12:45 is fast. Lagat could not do it. How could Rupp?"
Because Rupp is so good at running that it is hard for the nay-sayers to fathom. Even the brojos - who incessantly show their anti-rupp sentiments - would have to kneel down before the king.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
This thread is full of win.
If I were to take bets on Rupp's eventual PR at even odds what time would I have to choose to get equal action on both sides? I would guess no faster than 12:52 and possibly as slow as 12:54.
Ventolin at no point would put any money on his 12:45 nonsense.
There's nothing incompatible about saying Rupp is CAPABLE of 12:45 and saying that the crowd would balance at 12:52-54 on any given race. Perhaps a bit above your comprehension.
malmo wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:This thread is full of win.
If I were to take bets on Rupp's eventual PR at even odds what time would I have to choose to get equal action on both sides? I would guess no faster than 12:52 and possibly as slow as 12:54.
Ventolin at no point would put any money on his 12:45 nonsense.
There's nothing incompatible about saying Rupp is CAPABLE of 12:45 and saying that the crowd would balance at 12:52-54 on any given race. Perhaps a bit above your comprehension.
Well, I full understand that. If you had read more closely I was wondering about wagers on lifetime PRs, not any one particular race. For one particular race I would have to set the line quite a bit higher than that to get equal action, I suspect.
There is still nothing inherent incompatible about a lifetime PR being different from maximum capabilities but Ventolin lives in a bit of a fantasy world. He claimed this winter that Rupp was in 12:40-12:42 shape off of his indoor 5k. That's just ridiculous. At some point runners are worth what they actually run, especially in events in which they frequently compete.
I'm glad you decided to restore the posts in this thread.
Sagarin wrote:
Agreed Ventolin. The kid is coming into form. Where's Cliff Clavin/Ryan Grote/King Troll? To have said that Rupp's lifetime PR will be that 12:58 he ran while training through reveals sheer ignorance.
It sure looks as if Cliff was smarter than all of you boys.
12:45 should be coming next year. Just wait.
12:45 yes, American record yes. American GOAT.
The most amazing thing about Rupp is that the ONE distance where he has not blasted a superior time is in the 5000 outdoors.
How can I guy with a PR of 3:50 in the mile, 7:30 in the 3000 and 26:44 in the 10,000 - ONLY run a 12:58 in the 5000?
Woody Kincaid ran a 12:58..........
I am very surprised Rupp could not match Chris Solinski and Ritz and drop below 12:58.
He had plenty of opportunities.
It is surprising. My best explanation is that all the times Rupp could have or might have run a faster 5k, he:
-was focused on another event (ie 10K) where his champ odds were better in his AlSal's judgement. 5K always seemed like a backup plan.
-encountered a race where the pace just wasn't pushed
-encountered unfavorable weather
-just didn't have it on the day (it happens)
Let's be honest, he never took many shots. He wasn't a regular on the start line at paced DL 5Ks
You are correct. Rupp was always a 10K runner who sometimes dipped down to 5K just so he could double at world events.
He also makes tactical errors in big races. Too often he was concerned about helping MO instead of worrying about his own times.
Case in point, when he ran the 5K in 2012 Olympics and went from 10th to 1st with 600 out just so he could protect MO's leading position.
Then he fades......
His 1500 seems overrated since he never competed well there.
3k times are shallow.
He's not a 5k specialist. Possibly, in ideal conditions, he could run lower in the 12:50s.
No more without supershoes or something.
ventolin^3 wrote:
from another thread, i thought i'd post an opinion, for which i'll get pilloried, but i'm starting to turn towards it
rupp ran 3'34.75
( worth 3'34.2 at even pace & he didn't get a full sprint in the stretch as andrews planted himself in front of rupp, leaving rupp no where to go until last few meters when andrews tired
i think he was in high-3'33 shape in a perfect race with no impediments )
it's almost certain rupp was in heavy training block at the time ( oxy 1500 is not a meet you attempt to peak for when you are rupp's calibre )
that woud indicate that he was in this shape off virtually 100% endurance work
the intriguing possibilty is that when he now sharpens up with some speed work he may be 1 - 2s faster come trials/london
rupp may have 3'32 speed ( maybe even 3'31 ) by the time he peaks this year
this is speed which woud make him as competitive as anyone in a slow 5 or 10k
for serious posters here, i'll post what i think is possible if rupp does get his speed to 3'32 or even 3'31 with sharpening & likely assumption he's down to 26'35 this year ( i have no doubt he couda gone close to 26'40 in brussels with quicker pace from rabbit - 13'20 instead of 13'25, so going to 26'35 in a "perfect" race is not a stretch )
51.8 / 1'48.8 ->
3'32.84
4'49.19
7'25.18
12'45.93
26'36.85
51.3 / 1'48.0 ->
3'31.68
4'47.85
7'23.61
12'44.23
26'35.96
the take home message is that salazar seems to have a superb ability to gauge his athletes
he mentioned that 12'45 was rupp's ultimate target
looking at above, i don't think he'll need to wait 2 or 3y to achieve this
if he sharpens up his 1500 speed as expected & gets right race, 12'45 is something he can shoot for this year, maybe after london if he has an energy left
seeing as it's a quiet few days, worth posting something to get the masses chattering...
I actually kind of miss ventolin's crazy predictions, time adjustments and Jim Ryun obsession. I see A Duck was in this thread as well, another LRC legend.