Rupp capable of 12'45 ???

How can it be that Rupp can beat some of these guys a few weeks ago, but not even be close to them according to you? That makes no sense. Farah is a World Champion! And you're saying he would've been 5th? You're clueless.

And you're clueless if you think Almirew's 13:06 or whatever at Pre was indicative of his fitness. I think his race today and others shows that some of them really underperformed at Pre. The only reason Farah dominated last year is because the Africans clearly were under performing time wise last year. 12:53 for a world lead in 2011? Please, thats chump change. And btw, just because he's a world champion doesnt mean he's the best also in a "fast" race like this one

ventolin^3 wrote:

bump

now will finally posters believe there are 1/2 dozen+ guys capable of running 12'45 given "perfect" pace/conditions/etc

& remember, mo/rupp/bernie weren't in paris & i doubt anyone doesn't believe they woudn't been "right there" to quote the immortal sal

Careful vent, Rupp could set the WR while winning gold and there would still be 3 people on this site who will say he is not capable of it the following day.

Careful vent, Rupp could set the WR while winning gold and there would still be 3 people on this site who will say he is not capable of it the following day.

He would not be capable of it the following day. That's an impossible double. I'm sure I can get 2 more people to agree w/ me.

Halftight88 wrote:The only reason Farah dominated last year is because the Africans clearly were under performing time wise last year. 12:53 for a world lead in 2011? Please, thats chump change. And btw, just because he's a world champion doesnt mean he's the best also in a "fast" race like this one

not true

it was shit pace in that 12'53 & he went 61 + 53 finish

i got that that as 12'47 at even pace ( but still likely quicker as pace from gun was only supposed to be 12'55 )

mo last year couda possibly gone 12'43 in that that 12'53pb

( the guy today looks in close to 12'40 shape with that finish off a pathetic 10'19 ( 12'53 pace ) )

that shape this year woud have him fighting for silver...

if you subtract 6 seconds for Mo doing a 12:53 w/close in 61/53, how much do you subtract for Gebremeskel doing a 12:46 with a 60/54 close?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Halftight88 wrote:The only reason Farah dominated last year is because the Africans clearly were under performing time wise last year. 12:53 for a world lead in 2011? Please, thats chump change. And btw, just because he's a world champion doesnt mean he's the best also in a "fast" race like this one

not true

it was shit pace in that 12'53 & he went 61 + 53 finish

i got that that as 12'47 at even pace ( but still likely quicker as pace from gun was only supposed to be 12'55 )

mo last year couda possibly gone 12'43 in that that 12'53pb

( the guy today looks in close to 12'40 shape with that finish off a pathetic 10'19 ( 12'53 pace ) )

that shape this year woud have him fighting for silver...

Those 61-53 last 800 splits are almost the exact same as Gebremeskel's 12:46 today closing in what 60-54 (he was probably 54 flat as the last 400m split was given for the leader, not Gebremeskel). So essentially he ran 7 seconds faster closing at almost the same pace for last 800m. Not to even mention the fact that he closed in 2:26 last K and 4:01 last 1600. This performance today is farrr superior to Mo's 12:53 from last year

jjjjjjj wrote:if you subtract 6 seconds for Mo doing a 12:53 w/close in 61/53, how much do you subtract for Gebremeskel doing a 12:46 with a 60/54 close?

because it included an execrable 2'40 for 4th k...

Halftight88 wrote:Those 61-53 last 800 splits are almost the exact same as Gebremeskel's 12:46 today closing in what 60-54 (he was probably 54 flat as the last 400m split was given for the leader, not Gebremeskel). So essentially he ran 7 seconds faster closing at almost the same pace for last 800m. Not to even mention the fact that he closed in 2:26 last K and 4:01 last 1600. This performance today is farrr superior to Mo's 12:53 from last year

idiot

if you compare races, at least look up all the splits

they barely achieved a jog in the 4th k of 12'53 in something like 2'40 ( & slowing lap by lap to almost a walk ) & they at least went 2'36 today

mo was in at worst 12'45 shape last year

Woulda Coulda Shoulda, Talk is Cheap vent.

No amount of speculation makes something a reality. You cant base a career or performance on what it "could have" or "should have" been, it is what it is, and your best is your best until you do better. You're only as good as the times you've run, nobody cares what kind of shape you say he was in, he is a 12:53 guy until he runs faster. You just cant seem to understand that

Wow, people in here are ignorant, Know nothing about running. Rupp is not going to break 12:55 even if he closes in 50. David Rudisha would be running 5000m if it was all about the last lap. Get ready to be dissapointed people, Mo, Rupp and Lagat will not be a factor at 5000m in London

This^

itsallinthepast wrote:No amount of speculation makes something a reality. You cant base a career or performance on what it "could have" or "should have" been, it is what it is, and your best is your best until you do better. You're only as good as the times you've run, nobody cares what kind of shape you say he was in, he is a 12:53 guy until he runs faster. You just cant seem to understand that

not too bright i see

what was that ethiopians 5k pb prior to today ???

i'm sure it was much much quicker than rupp's...

ventolin^3 wrote:

itsallinthepast wrote:No amount of speculation makes something a reality. You cant base a career or performance on what it "could have" or "should have" been, it is what it is, and your best is your best until you do better. You're only as good as the times you've run, nobody cares what kind of shape you say he was in, he is a 12:53 guy until he runs faster. You just cant seem to understand that

not too bright i see

what was that ethiopians 5k pb prior to today ???

i'm sure it was much much quicker than rupp's...

Well clearly neither are you since you cant seem to understand anything. His PR was very weak before today and it seemed like he should be faster, but HE WASNT UNTIL HE ACTUALLY DID IT!!!! Now he has run the time and can claim to be a sub 12:50 guy since he actually did it. No wonder your mother still keeps you locked up in her basement, your people skills sure are atrocious.

Paris is in the past now. Hell have to prove it in London. I say he chokes. Wanna bet?

By taking bekele out, he just did farah, Lagat and rupp a favor because they'll show while he blows......up. I seen thissa story before.

Dont be surprised if he's a 6th placer and lomong scalps him.

In all fairness to Ventolin, I think his calc. is really accurate. I used Rupp's PR's from THIS outdoor season 3:36.98 & his entry time for USA's 10,000m (27:30) and it produced 13:07...about what he ran today.

It's clear Rupp is not in the same condition he was last year, which is totally understandable. Personally, I think it would take quite some time to recover from the physical, mental and emotional rush of what Rupp did in the 10,000m at the Olympics. Maybe they rushed into things a little too soon...

Rupp also ran 7:30i, which was probably his best performance. That form seems to have deserted him some here in the summer. Still hoping he finds something in time for Moscow, which might happen, especially at 10000 at that seems to be by far his better event.

LM wrote:

Rupp also ran 7:30i, which was probably his best performance.

And still is. 10 seconds slower than Komen's impossible outdoor record is much better than 24 seconds off Bekele's.

Pretty much all of Rupp's best performances have been indoors. Maybe he has trouble with the pressure of big meets.

Bad Wigins wrote:

LM wrote:

Rupp also ran 7:30i, which was probably his best performance.

And still is. 10 seconds slower than Komen's impossible outdoor record is much better than 24 seconds off Bekele's.

Pretty much all of Rupp's best performances have been indoors. Maybe he has trouble with the pressure of big meets.

Might be.

Salazar did say that this past summer Rupp's mileage dropped to much and he lost some endurance, so perhaps that played a role as well. Hopefully he figures it out this year.

V3, I'm not sure what to think about the indoor vs outdoor. AlSal certainly thinks that BU track is as fast as any meet outdoors; and for what it is worth several people that have ran there and commented here on assert that they ran their fastest times there and that the track is very springy and fast.

Not sure if it matters, but Salazar was freaking out over the track during the workout Galen did afterwords saying you can see the springiness of the track.

I do want to mention as well that during the workout Salazar was saying that Galen had not yet done any sort of taper for the 5000, but will be starting his taper now before the 3000. We will see what he runs but Alberto was saying if he had to bet his life on particular numbers he think 8:05/3:49.