OMG, I totally wish Paula Radcliffe gets caught/outted.

lulzing in my office wrote:

I'm extremely sexist so I will stand by lance's side but I want to see paula go DOWN.

That's the only time you would see a woman go DOWN

Not Ron Hill wrote:

She is not stupid, what sort of a life would she have in Britain, were it ever revealed she wasn’t clean when racing?

pretty sure she lives in Monaco

Radcliffe was routinely getting beaten before she started using drugs to her advantage. She couldn't beat the faster runners on the track, so she decided to beat them in other ways, by attacking their character, and in some cases destroying their careers.

Example:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BAtHaxqCAAAVkkX.jpg:large

Over a very short period of time, the faster runners became afraid to beat her, due to the threat of her turning on them too, accusing them of doping and destroying their careers as she was doing to others. Her ploy of using drugs to her advantage was successful.

I suspect that Radcliffe either knows that drugs don't aid performance in any significant way, or else she thinks they do, is using them herself, and has inroads to the testing to only compete where the results are supressed. This could explain why mentally she has performed well in certain venues, and where testing has been less parochial has performed poorly or dropped out.

Why? She hasn't done anything. She's probably sitting around eating a BBQ chicken salad and a scoop full of peanut butter...thinking huh?

'she has performed well in certain venues, and where testing has been less parochial has performed poorly or dropped out.'

London had blood testing when she set the WR, only place at that time that did this

The rest of your post is just a crock of shite and not worth a reply

ukathleticscoach wrote:

London had blood testing when she set the WR, only place at that time that did this

parochial

very limited or narrow in scope or outlook;

provincial: parochial views; a parochial mentality.

Your response affirms the assertion.

rojo wrote:

Paula was very much raising awareness about doping when she was a track runner. She felt like she was getting crushed by cheats and was very outspoken about it.

Was that all she did in her frustration? Or did she decide to do what was necessary to be the best?

We'll never know. But it wouldn't shock me in the least if she was at least doing blood transfusions. If there is no test for it, and it's your own blood, I actually can't see a top endurance athlete like her, who was more driven than just about any other athlete of here era saying: 'yeah, I know everyone else is cheating with EPO and steroids, etc, and sure there is no way to get caught with transfusions, and yeah it's my own blood, but....I better not, it's not fair.' Again, it's possible that was her attitude, but there have been very few word class athletes in her position that took that high road. Very few. Maybe she was one of them, but if I were a betting man......

Look, at this point it's idiotic for anyone to say about ANY athlete: I am certain they are clean, or even: I feel very confident they are clean. THere is just too many counterexamples to think this way.

Either way, she was huffing synthetic air (altitude tents). Yes, legal (just like blood doping used to be back in the day), so maybe she was a big responder to that and that is what really pushed her to the top. But again, she very well could have topped that off with some self-transfusions. we'll probably never know.

parochial

very limited or narrow in scope or outlook;

provincial: parochial views; a parochial mentality.

Your response affirms the assertion.[/quote]

No, I just responded to the following statement with a fact. It does not prove she was not doping but it does show the other poster does not know what they are talking about:

'she has performed well in certain venues, and where testing has been less parochial has performed poorly or dropped out.'

London had blood testing when she set the WR, only place at that time that did this.

She performed pretty well at the World Championship marathon which she won as well

A strong performance can be suspicious, but not on its own. In the face of no facts, we also need some more corroborating circumstances to help strengthen otherwise baseless suspicions. There are mountains of circumstances surrounding Lance. Is there anything around Paula?

Q: Who best knows who's cheating:

A) Fellow Athletes

B) Former Athletes

C) Sports Journalists

D) Anonymous forum posters

With Lance, Christophe Bassons raised suspicions as early as 1999, the comeback year.

Greg Lemond expressed doubt in 2001, upon hearing the working relationship between Lance and Ferrari.

Paul Kimmage (former TdF cyclist) and David Walsh also investigate and published their doubts.

Which athlete, former athlete, or sports journalist ever suspected Paula?

Q: What did Paula and Lance speak against:

Paula was a vocal anti-doping advocate. She claims taking drugs was bad for the sport.

Lance was a vocal anti-anti-doping advocate. He claims that speaking out was bad for the sport.

Q: How did Paula do in the 10K?

Besides the Chinese, Paula was the fastest in the 10K, yet was still 30 seconds slower than the Chinese world record. If she was doping, it was surely nothing like the Chinese program.

Q: Were they one-hit wonders?

Paula had a long and promising career, starting as a junior, in cross-country, track, and especially the marathon.

Lance too, had a long career, winning a single day World Championship as a junior in 1993.

However, the pre-1996 Lance struggled on multi-day tours. Lance was good on single day events, but not on grand tours, time-trials, nor in the mountains.

Even Lance's junior career is not without suspicion. As a junior he trained under Carmichael, someone accused of doping his kids without their knowledge.

Lance was also accused of "rigging" the Thrift Drug Triple crown, defrauding the sponsors of his first $1 million.

Q: Can we compare grand tours to T&F/X-country/marathons?

They are not the same events, with the same "recovery" requirements.

A marathon compares to a single day cycling event -- like a long time trial.

The running equivalent of grand cycling tours are multi-day ultra-marathon events.

In a multi-day event, it is a huge advantage to be fresh in the third week of competition.

Q: Did the athletes test positive?

Lance tested positive in 1999. He managed to produce a prescription, and claimed he forgot to declare it.

There is controversy surrounding an EPO test in 2001 in the Tour de Suisse. Was it positive or simply suspect?

1999 samples were retested, finding Lance positive 6 times, and 2 others suspicious. Was the lab sloppy in sample storage and paperwork?

Lance's comeback in 2009 also showed suspicious blood profiles.

Did Paula ever have any suspicion surrounding any drug test results? Did she need lawyers to find technicalities in the process?

Q: Is T&F as dirty as cycling?

T&F has had doping positives, with sprinters, field events, some middle distance, Chinese and East German women.

As we've seen with Caster Semenya, sometimes women benefit from extra hormones without doping.

Maybe it's just my impression, but distance events longer than 1 mile, for both men and women (except Ma's girls) seem to be severely under-represented in T&F's doping history.

Q: Where is doping?

Follow the money. The 2012 pre-busted Lance was reportedly worth $125 million. What is Paula's net worth today?

For those who think that the story of Lance and Paula differ by just a pronoun, they ignore too many world realities, acting much like the "ostriches" they accuse others of being. It doesn't take any thought at all to declare all sports dirty, therefore dismissing all winners as dopers, and all doping deniers as naive, "head in the sand" newbies. When any athlete, or former athlete, who competed against Paula, comes forward and declares Paula dirty, only then will I begin to suspect Paula. If the athletes aren't complaining, then "no harm no foul".

rojo wrote:If she was doped, then please tell me why she wouldn't have dominated at the 10k distance as well? She consistently got crushed. To me, the biggest thing if one is doped is they'd have a lot in reserve for the kick. Not her.

it doesn't work like that

when she ran in 2"17 in '02, her track line of fit ( meaning quicker M ) was maybe

58.5 / 2'02.7 ->

3'59.8

8'20.9

14'21.1

29'53.4

2"16'32

which are for perfect races on track

that 10k woudn't have won the '03 WC when adere ran 30'04 in a real race with a blistering finish - probably nearer 29'50 at perfect even pace

she actually ran her 2"15 prior to the '03 WC, but is skewed because i believe you & your bro helped pace her to the finish ( + some kenyans )

that line of fit is maybe

59.0 / 2'03.3 ->

4'00.2

8'20.3

14'18.2

29'42.7

2"15'03

that 10k wouda been hard to beat, but i'm sure adere/kidane/sun/etc wouda liked to have had male pacers from gun-to-tape to get some comparativity...

suspect that Radcliffe either knows that drugs don't aid performance in any significant way, or else she thinks they do, is using them herself, and has inroads to the testing to only compete where the results are supressed. This could explain why mentally she has performed well in certain venues, and where testing has been less parochial has performed poorly or dropped out. (quote)

Only performed well in certain venues?

Let’s see…

Won the world marathon championships at Helsinki.

(And a silver at 10,000 at Seville)

Won the world’s junior cross country at Boston.

(beating a certain Wang Junxia)

Won the world cross country championships at Ostend.

Won the world cross country championships at Dublin.

Won European gold’s in Munich, Ferrara and Edinburgh.

Won European Cup gold’s at St Petersburg, Paris and Bydgoszcz.

The 3 fastest female marathons ever run in London and Chicago.

And won the New York marathon 3 times.

Where exactly are the venues she should have run in to qualify for one who didn’t just ‘perform well’ in certain venues?

The North Pole?

ventolin^3 wrote:

she actually ran her 2"15 prior to the '03 WC, but is skewed because i believe you & your bro helped pace her to the finish ( + some kenyans )

that line of fit is maybe

14'18.2

29'42.7

Ventolin, you're way off here.

The Brojo pacing was in Chicago, not in London when she ran 2:15. As for that performance, I highly encourage you to look up some clips. As in all other Marathons, Paula didn't draft at all here. She was running besides the pacers.

And I don't know what you're smoking when you think 29:42 is a fit for 2:15. 29 FLAT is a fit for 2:15.

Paula didn't use an altitude tent. You keep repeating this myth, it's not true.

Neither did she use any illegal manipulations. And she says that the altitude training she does does not increase her red blood cell count.

You realize that picture was from a race that had a woman that tested positive for drugs but was allowed to compete. Plus she didn't bring sign, the other runner in picture did. Name one woman Paula attacked? And besides the Olympic marathons where has she competed poorly?

Nutella1 wrote:

Ventolin, you're way off here.

This could be the dude's epitaph.

What amazes me is that a guy who bases virtually 100 percent of his posts on mathematical SUPPOSITIONS (not data; guesses) can so consistently refer to others as morons, idiots, etc. The only relevant "best fit" he has to offer is the one involving his head and his own arsehhole.

Paula last race was april 15th 2012 vienna. Therefore Paula retire since that day. Its already 9 + months since paula retire.

For some reason when I try to post to the person I want to, I get some error message (?), so I am posting here:

Really Stubborn Person wrote:

"Paula didn't use an altitude tent. You keep repeating this myth, it's not true."

Give it up! Why are some people so stubbornly dumb? You have access to the world wide web, correct? You are posting here so you must (unless you phone in your responses to wejo and he types them in for you). So before so confidently calling someone else wrong, LOOK IT UP YOURSELF!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/07/sports/07iht-train_ed3_.html

So is Paula a liar? She said she uses them, defends their use, but really doesn't??? If you think she is that dishonest, then.....I wouldn't imagine you'd think she was a clean competitor.

rekrunner wrote:

Q: Where is doping?

Follow the money. The 2012 pre-busted Lance was reportedly worth $125 million. What is Paula's net worth today?

For those who think that the story of Lance and Paula differ by just a pronoun, they ignore too many world realities, acting much like the "ostriches" they accuse others of being.

very good and detailed post, rekrunner.

Why did she use the drug issue then to gain a persistent and threatening advantage over the runners who were faster than her??????

Because she's a liar, a cheat and a hypocrite.

Nonsense. Wang Junxia was the greatest woman distance runner in history. She never failed any drug test, despite much scrutiny that Radcliffe never had. Also, Wang Junxia NEVER tried to use the drug issue to her favor, the way that Radcliffe did. Wang Junxia did all her running with her feet.

If Radcliffe wasn't motivated to cheat, then either was anyone else.

You keep trying to make excuses for her.

The truth is the truth, and it doesn't change no matter what people say.