poplar tree wrote:
Is "Clue me in" really this stupid, or is he just trolling?
Some things are so OBVIOUS you really don't need to provide an explanation. Do you think the dinosaurs existed? I mean, I've never actually SEEN one, so that seems like pretty shaky ground to me...
I think he sits and thinks or ridiculous questions to ask to make people mad. So yes, a troll.
poplar tree wrote:
Is "Clue me in" really this stupid, or is he just trolling?
Some things are so OBVIOUS you really don't need to provide an explanation. Do you think the dinosaurs existed? I mean, I've never actually SEEN one, so that seems like pretty shaky ground to me...
You can ask a question like this and wonder if clue me in is stupid? Of course no one has seen an actual dinosaur. But their remains are all over the place. There is no question about their existence.
HRE wrote:
You can ask a question like this and wonder if clue me in is stupid? Of course no one has seen an actual dinosaur. But their remains are all over the place. There is no question about their existence.
Evidence of genetics is all over the place, too.
Yes. They've found genes that determine many things, e.g., hair and eye color, height and body type, proclivity to certain diseases, etc. But there is currently no evidence of a gene or combination of genes that determines running ability or endurance capacity. Suggesting that there is such a combination is still hypothesizing. Talking about the existence of dinosaurs is not.
My dad ran 17flat for 3 miles in high school and a 440 something mile in high school. Mom didn't do any athletics after middle school. I ran 4:16, 9:14, and 15:19 in high school and little brother(freshmen in HS) has already broken 10 and 440. And ran 17:06 for 5k.
Obviously no correlation for us.
HRE wrote:
Yes. They've found genes that determine many things, e.g., hair and eye color, height and body type, proclivity to certain diseases, etc. But there is currently no evidence of a gene or combination of genes that determines running ability or endurance capacity. Suggesting that there is such a combination is still hypothesizing. Talking about the existence of dinosaurs is not.
Exactly. All we know is that some people have more power and some more endurance etc. Things we can actually measure.
Most of the posters here are observing the fastest athletes and attributing this ability to 'genetics' which is a futile argument.
Looking at African runners, I see that every one of them has a different running style, indicating considerable genetic variation.
I read through half this thread before giving up. 70% of the respondents are efffen' nuts. Crazy. Too many tupid people here who could be locked up. Seriously. Some of you are sick and should seek help.
Dad--ran the mile in HS, but never got his time. Probably sub 6. He was pretty big to be a runner, played line for JV football in college, and as an adult was 6' 180-190. He ran while I was growing up, first wave of jogging boom, and raced 4 miles at 28 min at age 50, post heart attack.
Mom--claims she was the best athlete in her class, but truthfully I never saw a lot athleticism, let alone running. Decent skier.Don't think she ever ran more than 30 yards as long as I can remember, and that was a shuffle. Slight build, though. 5'1" and maybe 105-110 when I was a kid.
Me, low-mid 15s for 5K but truthfully not very talented (but a good build, 5'10" 140); more just because I like to run and I worked at it.
My wife, good college runner. Sub 17 5K. Our kids: 17 yr old runs low 10s for 3200, 16:30 5K; 14 yr old runs under 5 for 1600.
Mom ran 5:15ish and sub 11 in high school I believe. Decided not to run in college though.
Dad played football and his friends nicknamed him Loadass. Ran a 5k in 21-22 minutes once, said he was "flying"
I ran sub 9 in high school. so correlation to my mom, not to my dad (though we were similar in other sports)
logick wrote:
HRE wrote:Yes. They've found genes that determine many things, e.g., hair and eye color, height and body type, proclivity to certain diseases, etc. But there is currently no evidence of a gene or combination of genes that determines running ability or endurance capacity. Suggesting that there is such a combination is still hypothesizing. Talking about the existence of dinosaurs is not.
Exactly. All we know is that some people have more power and some more endurance etc. Things we can actually measure.
Most of the posters here are observing the fastest athletes and attributing this ability to 'genetics' which is a futile argument.
Looking at African runners, I see that every one of them has a different running style, indicating considerable genetic variation.
No, I think you can look at successful runners and see that they all have similar body types, just like any sport. That's genetic! If you are 5'3 110 lbs you're more likely to be (due to your genetic make up) a better distance runner than NFL lineman.
Both parents have probably never run a mile in their lives. Neither parent did any organized sports. Father played a little racquetball with friends when he was older. Outside of required PE classes, parents were basically non-athletes.
JackOfAss wrote:
logick wrote:Exactly. All we know is that some people have more power and some more endurance etc. Things we can actually measure.
Most of the posters here are observing the fastest athletes and attributing this ability to 'genetics' which is a futile argument.
Looking at African runners, I see that every one of them has a different running style, indicating considerable genetic variation.
No, I think you can look at successful runners and see that they all have similar body types, just like any sport. That's genetic! If you are 5'3 110 lbs you're more likely to be (due to your genetic make up) a better distance runner than NFL lineman.
No, height is genetic. For the purposes of this discussion, bodyweight is not. Runners are all skinny because the lighter you are, the faster you are (until you are starving yourself). NFL players are bigger because they need the size and muscle. This is from diet and exercise not genetics.
OK, if genetics play no role in success as a runner, why has no man taller than about 6'5" ever broken 4 minutes in the mile? Why are virtually all world class distance runners relatively short?
If height affects running success, and genes affect height, then genes affect running success.
The end.
34897984 wrote:
OK, if genetics play no role in success as a runner, why has no man taller than about 6'5" ever broken 4 minutes in the mile? Why are virtually all world class distance runners relatively short?
If height affects running success, and genes affect height, then genes affect running success.
The end.
No one said that genetics play no role.
How do you know no one taller than 6ft 5 has broken 4 for the mile? You're already incorrect on that one. I know a 6ft 6 guy who has done it.
World class distance runners aren't relatively short. They vary SIGNIFICANTLY in height.
Your premises aren't even correct. Try again.
Clue me in wrote:
No one said that genetics play no role.
There...all i wanted to hear. You lose. Good bye.
No no no wrote:
JackOfAss wrote:No, I think you can look at successful runners and see that they all have similar body types, just like any sport. That's genetic! If you are 5'3 110 lbs you're more likely to be (due to your genetic make up) a better distance runner than NFL lineman.
No, height is genetic. For the purposes of this discussion, bodyweight is not. Runners are all skinny because the lighter you are, the faster you are (until you are starving yourself). NFL players are bigger because they need the size and muscle. This is from diet and exercise not genetics.
"This is from diet and exercise not genetics." WTF planet do you live on??
Yeah, guess I'll just eat more and then figure out how my smallish frame I can pack on 200 more lbs I'LL BE AN NFL LINEMAN!! Awesome!
Why would your small frame prevent you from putting on lots of muscle? Some of the best body builders are under 6ft tall.
34897984 wrote:
Clue me in wrote:No one said that genetics play no role.
There...all i wanted to hear. You lose. Good bye.
That's what I've been saying from the start so how do I lose? You guys are crazy.
First off, sorry I didn't read the WHOLE thread, just the first and part of second page...
I get what you're trying to say but I do think genetics play some sort of role. for example; a runner might not have the fast twitch muscles and yet has the mental tenacity to get fast (including training to his/her potential) or the opposite, he has fast twitch muscles and uses less mental tenacity? or better yet, he has both qualities and utilizes them to the max and becomes an Olympic medalist? (considering if all the stars line up for that day and he/she trained to their best ability/max?)
not trying to be deep wrote:
First off, sorry I didn't read the WHOLE thread, just the first and part of second page...
I get what you're trying to say but I do think genetics play some sort of role. for example; a runner might not have the fast twitch muscles and yet has the mental tenacity to get fast (including training to his/her potential) or the opposite, he has fast twitch muscles and uses less mental tenacity? or better yet, he has both qualities and utilizes them to the max and becomes an Olympic medalist? (considering if all the stars line up for that day and he/she trained to their best ability/max?)
You can turn your slow twitch fibers into fast ones with training. And vice versa.
true--and that's where the mental tenacity comes into play, right?