After winning at Cross Country, NCC takes this meet with only 1 distance entry in a fake event (DMR) scoring only 2 points.
Pretty darn impressive!
After winning at Cross Country, NCC takes this meet with only 1 distance entry in a fake event (DMR) scoring only 2 points.
Pretty darn impressive!
I get what you're saying here, but why would an athlete drop out of possibly the last national championship he or she will compete in? There's no guarantee that anyone, Scheetz for example because he's taking some flak, will be any healthier during outdoor. Track is unpredictable. One minute you're on top of the world and the next you have a torn meniscus or strep. If you qualify you have every right to go: hurt, sick or whatever else. If you're willing to race when you know your condition isn't 100% it's brave, not pathetic. True competitors qualify and race, that's what they do. If you missed it by a spot and, in watching from your cozy living room decided, "oh! If only I had gotten in I could have won it!", think again. If you'd earned your spot in the first place you'd be there proving it. Unless you've stepped on the line at nationals knowing full well that you could be limping off the track, mortified and in incredible pain in only a few minutes, you really have nothing to back up your post but conjecture.
Injured wrote:
A few posts above talk about this. If your hurt and can't run stay home! All you do is take a spot away from a healthy athlete. Unless they change the qualifying standards like DI it will keep happening. I was the last person out in an event this year and it pisses me off to find out a person was hurt, raced then DNF'd
So can we talk about what a boss Nelson is?
What a BEAST! He went from 6 laps out and it looked like he had 2 laps to go. That is the fastest indoor 5k at nationals for the win in a long time, great to see not a sit and kick race. Sub 14 for him in huge race? Mt Sac? Penn Relays?
Hopefully Nelson's coach will get him out to Mt Sac in April. Running 14:11 indoors, leading the majority of the race, and still closing in 2:42 for the last K indicates he's got a sub 14 in him.
Yeah Nelson killed it, and so did the other 7 all-americans in that race. I mean 14:26 to finish in the top 8? D3 is getting better
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Yeah Nelson killed it, and so did the other 7 all-americans in that race. I mean 14:26 to finish in the top 8? D3 is getting better
Yes it is almost like a top tier DI conference - Pac10, Big10, SEC etc.
soeirjgeosir wrote:
Hopefully Nelson's coach will get him out to Mt Sac in April. Running 14:11 indoors, leading the majority of the race, and still closing in 2:42 for the last K indicates he's got a sub 14 in him.
If he does have a sub 14 in him, hopefully it won't happen at Mt. Sac. Anyone who runs sub 14 in mid-April is setting themselves up for a disappointing nationals experience in late May. Look at what happened to all the guys who ran in the 14:07-14:12 range in the late January-early February period. It's hard to hold a peak that long.
what i think wrote:
Ok so enough of these ethical arguments, let´s get some predictions going. Here´s what I got...
800 - I know Scheetz has been a beast, but I´m not sure he´s quite strong enough for the double, and I´m not sure he´s the best tactician either, so i think he just barely gets beat on this one by Hutton. Third is a crapshoot but I´m guessing its not gonna be someone who´s also doing the DMR.
1. Hutton
2. Scheetz
3. Willett
Mile - With a 4:04 and a 1:48 under his belt, its hard to see Scheetz losing this one. The field is good but no one else stands out as challenging him. McCarthy was a beast in XC and ran fast in december, but hasn´t been as impressive indoors this year. Sullivan got second outdoors last year in the 1500 and has a fast 8 this year, so i´ll give him second.
1. Scheetz
2. Sullivan
3. Brown
5000 - Nobody has come close to touching Sathre in D3 this year, and i think he´ll continue his undefeated streak. I don´t expect him to take it from the beginning like xc, but maybe make a big move with a mile to go that separates the field. Could see a lot of people coming in second and third. Schillit and Schmidt ran impressive times, but have yet to run at a super high level at nationals and fast track times from BU often dont turn into good nationals performances (ie Heymann last year). Breitbach looks to be coming back but might not quite be there. Kramer ran a 14:07 (unattached) in december but only 14:20 in a competiive race and 8:26 solo in february. I think the biggest challenge to Sathre will come from Nelson, whose two races have been big wins and were quite fast (8:15 and 14:20).
1. Sathre
2. Nelson
3. Kramer
DMR - The teams with the top two times, MIT and Bowdoin, have everyone fresh so on paper they´re definitely the favorites. More than any other race, however, qualifying times often mean little and a lot of times it just comes down to who has the best anchor. Hannon from MIT (with a 4:06 this year) has got to have the biggest upside and they´ve got a strong 800 leg to put them in a good position, so I´m calling them for the win. Anyone doubling from the mile will have a real tough time, so I don´t expect much from Wabash or Stevens Point. Middlebury could be strong, but I don´t think that whoever their anchor is is gonna win anything. I think Etown might surprise.
1. MIT
2. Bowdoin
3. Elizabethtown
Mile---McCarthy???
800---Waterman???
McCarthy barely won when he destroyed the field. Clearly he peaked in December. And Waterman doesn't even need mentioning. Returning runner-ups clearly don't deserve to be picked in any top 3. Etown and MIT put it down in that DMR too.
Am I the only one that thinks Cazzola should have been DQed multiple times in that mile? She was overly aggressive the entire race, and looked pretty dirty. She definitely shoved Cramer from behind when Cramer stumbled, she would have stayed on her feet had it not been for the push.
DickTiago wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks Cazzola should have been DQed multiple times in that mile? She was overly aggressive the entire race, and looked pretty dirty. She definitely shoved Cramer from behind when Cramer stumbled, she would have stayed on her feet had it not been for the push.
boo...hoo
WorstPreds wrote:
McCarthy barely won when he destroyed the field. Clearly he peaked in December. And Waterman doesn't even need mentioning. Returning runner-ups clearly don't deserve to be picked in any top 3. Etown and MIT put it down in that DMR too.
And where were your perfect predictions? At least he put something out there. Sorry your Wabash boys got slighted in the predictions, he probably expected them to actually try in the DMR.
McCarthy's performance in the DMR was pathetic. When the pack came around to lap him it was clear that he was just jogging and putting forth basically no effort. By the 'honest effort' rule those guys probably should have been barred from the rest of the meet.
DickTiago wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks Cazzola should have been DQed multiple times in that mile? She was overly aggressive the entire race, and looked pretty dirty. She definitely shoved Cramer from behind when Cramer stumbled, she would have stayed on her feet had it not been for the push.
That was just a strange race all around. It was almost like none of them had any experience running in a pack. I couldn't see what happened when people fell; it looked like people just got tangled up.
Cazzola caused two falls, and with Cramer she ran up on the back of her and clipped her foot. And once Cramer stumbled Cazzola shoved her out of the way. I honestly don't know how no coaches protested.
DickTiago wrote:
Cazzola caused two falls, and with Cramer she ran up on the back of her and clipped her foot. And once Cramer stumbled Cazzola shoved her out of the way. I honestly don't know how no coaches protested.
They did... Middlebury's Coach did protest to no avail. Go Home.
naw man, that was just smart to save his energy for the mile since they were clearly out of it. Who gives a rip about "honest effort"? It's about winning plain and simple.
What exactly is your problem? Just was wondering what other people thought about her tactics used, as watching on video it seemed pretty obvious she should be DQed.
On that note, I do have to say that this was hands down the best DIII meet either track or xc that I have seen streamed live. Commentator was decent, and outside of doing some interviews during the DMR races they followed the athletes fairly well.
DickTiago wrote:
What exactly is your problem? Just was wondering what other people thought about her tactics used, as watching on video it seemed pretty obvious she should be DQed.
On that note, I do have to say that this was hands down the best DIII meet either track or xc that I have seen streamed live. Commentator was decent, and outside of doing some interviews during the DMR races they followed the athletes fairly well.
I actually do agree about her tactics; when I saw it in slow motion, it looked to me like cramer stumbled, and cazzola's reaction was to put an arm on her back and push her down, out of cazzola's way. That being said, her response is a fairly common one to that situation, but that doesn't make it "clean" (IMO). I would make the argument that since she was not dq'd, her actions can be construed as acceptable, and she can leave it at that.
As for the commentator, I felt it was pretty good, but he made some annoying, if inconsequential mistakes. In the girls' mile the clock was at 2:00 and he said "Over halfway through this mile race now", which I thought was pretty funny. He made another mistake in the guy's dmr about the number of laps left during the 1200, but a simple knowledge of the race distance, current race time, and expected finish time keeps this from being a problem.