Wow how can BYU's team be legit?

disintegration wrote:

Actually, you can train on a mission. Or you could quit the church and not go on a mission. It's cruel that they force young boys to go out and get hated on by people everyday. These are just children and they get forced to go out and be degraded everyday, I seriously don't get the whole LDS thing.

Umm... they do not force you to go. It is the fastest growing church because people WANT to join. Plenty of young LDS men do not go on missions. And we have to pay for our mission expenses. It is not mandatory and we go because we believe in our church. Not because anybody is forcing us to be a part of it and go on a mission that we so desperately wish we were not on. And what do you mean you can train on a mission? What do you know? No you cannot.

And also there are plenty of returned missionaries competing in the NCAA not for BYU. Probably mostly in Utah but other places too. I would say it has something to do with coaching, altitude, and a good team to push each other that makes them so fast. Or else why wouldn't every returned missionary attending schools in Utah or anywhere else around the country be just as fast?

Point is they're fast this year. Really fast. They were fast last year too. And ever since they've had Ed Eyestone they have been a nationally ranked team usually finishing around 15th or better in the NCAA. The missionary program has been going on a lot longer than BYU XC has been this fast. So I credit coach Eyestone and the team running there for making the team so darn good.

They get fast so people cry about it. When they weren't as fast (although they still had their returned missionaries) people didn't complain. I get that their young 22 and 21 and 20 year old runners will be older seniors WHEN that happens. But for now they are kicking trash with an average age of 22 on their top 5. So yeah those RM's who are 22 and 21 will be a year older and have your so called "advantage" next year but when a 19 20 or 21 year old takes the spot of the two 24 year olds the team's average age will be the same and you will still be crying about how fast they are

cougs wrote:

They get fast so people cry about it. When they weren't as fast (although they still had their returned missionaries) people didn't complain. I get that their young 22 and 21 and 20 year old runners will be older seniors WHEN that happens. But for now they are kicking trash with an average age of 22 on their top 5. So yeah those RM's who are 22 and 21 will be a year older and have your so called "advantage" next year but when a 19 20 or 21 year old takes the spot of the two 24 year olds the team's average age will be the same and you will still be crying about how fast they are

I'm glad someone actually has a decent understanding of math and logic and understands this. If you're going to complain about how old the team is, then complain about how old they are now and not how old they will be next year or the year after. ...As for now, it was already shown they have an average age of 22.

1. Miles Batty (22) Okay he will be 25 as a senior

2. Thomas Gruenwald (20) He'll be 25 or 26

3. Brandon Hebbert (24) Prob about 25

4. Rich Nelson (24) Who knows, but prob around 28 ( he went on 2 trips)

5. Alden Bahr (21) He'll be 24 or 25

Pretty freaking ridiculous. Funny how they all return from there trips and immediately kick ass, going from 14:30 guys to 13:45 XC all-americans. Yeah they dont train or gain any advantage. (bull f***ing shit)

I gotta say, these mission things sound pretty stupid.

Crocapuss876 wrote:

1. Miles Batty (22) Okay he will be 25 as a senior

2. Thomas Gruenwald (20) He'll be 25 or 26

3. Brandon Hebbert (24) Prob about 25

4. Rich Nelson (24) Who knows, but prob around 28 ( he went on 2 trips)

5. Alden Bahr (21) He'll be 24 or 25

Pretty freaking ridiculous. Funny how they all return from there trips and immediately kick ass, going from 14:30 guys to 13:45 XC all-americans. Yeah they dont train or gain any advantage. (bull f***ing shit)

So they could go on their mission if they came back and weren't better than 16min 5k guys?

I'm not saying its a conspiracy. I'm wondering how, like the poster I am responding to mentioned, you go from a 14:30 guy to 13:45 guy after 2 years off.

I am a supporter of what you guys are doing. I don't think there is anything wrong with the ages of the guys on BYU. Can't anyone take 2 years off if they wanted to?

If people are so concerned... take 2 years off after high school, run your ass off, and then go to college for 5 years. No one says everyone can't do this (right?).

It doesn't change my curiousity about how BYU kids get so much faster after 2 years off. I took 2 years off, did NOT gain 25 pounds, was nutritious, and I'm still not at the point where I was 3 years ago. Granted I'm 31, but I'm also running more then I ever have. Wondering what secret there is to being out for 2 years and still coming back better then ever.

1stTimeMarathoner wrote:

Wondering what secret there is to being out for 2 years and still coming back better then ever.

Good coaching and good training.

Crocapuss876 wrote:

1. Miles Batty (22) Okay he will be 25 as a senior

2. Thomas Gruenwald (20) He'll be 25 or 26

3. Brandon Hebbert (24) Prob about 25

4. Rich Nelson (24) Who knows, but prob around 28 ( he went on 2 trips)

5. Alden Bahr (21) He'll be 24 or 25

Batty is a sophomore. 22 as SO, 23 as JR, 25??? as a SR???? Doesn't quite add up. Does he skip a birthday?

Bahr is also a sophomore. Let's try this again: 21 as SO, 22 as JR, 24 or 25???? as SR???? Your margin of error is increasing.

And Hebbert and Nelson are already listed as seniors so I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make there.

it's the fastest growing religion mission because you baptize dead people.... sick

[quote]13 million members and growing wrote:

Umm... they do not force you to go. It is the fastest growing church because people WANT to join. /quote]

Hey math tutor, think you could help me with some of my abstract algebra homework? :)

The main point is, it is unfair that they have significantly older runners. I think its great they do those mission trips, but not when they come back as much faster 24 year old sophomores. Imagine how you would feel if you would just miss out on an All-American honoree beause some douchbag 26 year old BYU guy 6 years your senior snagged that place. You'd be thrilled wouldn't you? Seems real fair doesn't it? Yeah, you'd be fine with it, because that 26 year old is helping American distance running overall. Bunch of hogwash.

How can you say that the average is reasonable without comparing it to the averages of other teams? Your mad math skills are impressive, but they mean nothing without context. I'm guessing the other teams had an average age of 20 for their top 5, making the difference 2 years just like we already knew. Thank you for adding nothing.

Those of you crying about Mormons,Veterans and Peace Corp volunteers are babies. Get over it, some people see the bigger picture others don't.

You know who else has their runners take 2 full years away from serious training and competition when they are 19 and 20? The Kenyans. And, the Ethiopians. And the Moroccans. That's the best way to get fast. BYU is just ahead of the curve here in the states.

Which BYU guy on the team now did this? Of their current roster none of these guys have broken 14:00 although several came close last year. KP ran 13:35 several years after his mission. Miles Batty didn't compete for months after his return then ran fast in track and this XC season. You're argument would be more valid if anything you said was true. Fact is they don't have any guys leaving for missions and coming back faster. They all come back slower and take 3 mos-a year to get close to the shape they were in prior to their departure.

heyyo wrote:

it's the fastest growing religion mission because you baptize dead people.... sick

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You have no idea what you are talking about when you get into that and if you were to go check how many there are on this planet sleeping eating and breathing the number is greater than 13 million

Jumpa4598 wrote:

Hey math tutor, think you could help me with some of my abstract algebra homework? :)

The main point is, it is unfair that they have significantly older runners. I think its great they do those mission trips, but not when they come back as much faster 24 year old sophomores. Imagine how you would feel if you would just miss out on an All-American honoree beause some douchbag 26 year old BYU guy 6 years your senior snagged that place. You'd be thrilled wouldn't you? Seems real fair doesn't it? Yeah, you'd be fine with it, because that 26 year old is helping American distance running overall. Bunch of hogwash.

Whoa whoa... again where are you getting these 26 year olds and runners 6 years older? That is not happening buddy. BYUs oldest guys are 24 and graduating.

And just like another guy said they are not coming back faster. They cmoe back fatter and slower than ever before and take months to years to regain fitness.

And why is it necessarily a BYU guy and not a Utah State guy who is the one who came back from the mission and getting the unfair advantage? Oh yeah cuz Utah State isn't destroying you in races i forgot

Let's take an impartial look at the facts.

1) The Mormans are on a starvation diet for 2 years and therefore have no energy to train.

This is why they usually gain 50 pounds.

2) The Mormans walk 7 miles every day, plus ride their bikes for transportation, and suffer from inactivity.

3) There is no advantage to being 2 years older for Collegiate competitions.

After all, everyone else could be a Morman and do the same thing.

this whole thread is assanign...to OP you are an idiot if you think every runner in the NCAA besides BYU is under the age of 23

think about all of the foreigners running over here, many of them are 20 year old freshman or older perhaps

Chelanga is not a normal aged college junior for example

secondly, to call into question their requirements they must fulfill for their religion and go on to say they get an unfair advantage out of it is ridiculous...you think those who wrote they must do this took into account college athletics? doubtful