How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
Interesting posts but the truth is 1) Hobie is only at best a National Class type runner. He's barely Olympic Trial material. That does not imply he's got the born-in talent to significantly better. Truth is; he doesn't.
2) If anyone knows anything about the physical human body; our legs, hips, lower back, all the connective tissue cannot withstand running with a 40 pound vest on a daily basis, let alone running a 4:34 mile or 22 lbs for 5K at a 4:34 pace. Hobie or anybody else would break down.
Hobie would risk and would certainly succumb to serious injury so his chances of going steps 1 through 4 are almost NILL.
3) Even if he were to run a half marathon with a weighted vest, no way does that imply he'd cover the last half of a full marathon at a 4:34 pace. Energy spent at the half marathon mark is at best 35% of that used in a full marathon. One expends up to 30% just running the last 10K of a full marathon, unless you are a Kenyian.
Hobie has dillusions of granduer. His methods can be used by any one of us on a limited basis but the whole concept is flawed-muscles and joints will break down.
I can run a 4:34 mile right now and I'm 40 pounds overweight. If I get some liposuction can i run a marathon at 4:34 pace right now?
StevieD wrote:
I'd be willing to finance part of his training for the year to 18 months he says it would take. He has to live, eat, and drink training though. I'm not financing internet, phone, car, etc. Only the necessities to focus solely on training. How do i get in touch with this guy.
I'll donate, too, if we get another 2:16(ha!) guy to train with conventional methods (Let'Run-approved) for the same period and then have them race.
ranbarts2 wrote:
3) Even if he were to run a half marathon with a weighted vest, no way does that imply he'd cover the last half of a full marathon at a 4:34 pace. Energy spent at the half marathon mark is at best 35% of that used in a full marathon. One expends up to 30% just running the last 10K of a full marathon, unless you are a Kenyian.
I think you're as dumb as Hobie.
It sounds like this guy is just trying to get his name out there.Some idiot company will look him up, not realize all those tough mudders and spartan races he wins are against hobby joggers and crossfitters, they will end up sponsaring him and voila he gets what he wants.
Also this Guy would be lucky to break 31 on the track. Still a couple minutes better than me but I have little desire to be the Marathon world record holder.
need a control wrote:
StevieD wrote:I'd be willing to finance part of his training for the year to 18 months he says it would take. He has to live, eat, and drink training though. I'm not financing internet, phone, car, etc. Only the necessities to focus solely on training. How do i get in touch with this guy.
I'll donate, too, if we get another 2:16(ha!) guy to train with conventional methods (Let'Run-approved) for the same period and then have them race.
he doesn't need any donations or sponsorship. living isn't that expensive. $10,000 would last him a year or two for food and housing. He has a job that will allow him to save up that much money. He owns things that he can sell to get that much money.
ranbarts2 wrote:
Interesting posts but the truth is 1) Hobie is only at best a National Class type runner. He's barely Olympic Trial material. That does not imply he's got the born-in talent to significantly better. Truth is; he doesn't.
2) If anyone knows anything about the physical human body; our legs, hips, lower back, all the connective tissue cannot withstand running with a 40 pound vest on a daily basis, let alone running a 4:34 mile or 22 lbs for 5K at a 4:34 pace. Hobie or anybody else would break down.
Hobie would risk and would certainly succumb to serious injury so his chances of going steps 1 through 4 are almost NILL.
3) Even if he were to run a half marathon with a weighted vest, no way does that imply he'd cover the last half of a full marathon at a 4:34 pace. Energy spent at the half marathon mark is at best 35% of that used in a full marathon. One expends up to 30% just running the last 10K of a full marathon, unless you are a Kenyian.
Hobie has dillusions of granduer. His methods can be used by any one of us on a limited basis but the whole concept is flawed-muscles and joints will break down.
Good post. It's good to see brash self-confidence backed up by an evident willingness to do the work, but he clearly also has a hefty streak of grandiosity. More importantly, I don't think he's thought through the fueling issues. His thinking is far too linear to be truly original.
Haven't we learned, watching Ritz struggle with the marathon, that fueling is a huge, tricky issue at the marathon distance? Some bodies are simply better suited to, say, the half-marathon distance, and bad sh-t happens when they try the longer race.
Self-confidence is one thing, Icarus, but hubris is another. Before bragging that you can run a 2:00 marathon, show me that you can run a 2:10 marathon. Then you ARE a contender, possibly, rather than somebody who coulda been one.
My biggest gripe with the whole things is the following quote from the Runners World article: "I believe I've come across a new way to train that will get superior results."
Based on what? Why would he think he would get superior results from this training method if he hasn't actually put it into practice? His race times haven't come down and that is the only real yardstick.
This is no different than saying I believe I can get superior results from drinking a bottle of vegetable oil every day.
I predict he will be injuried way before he can ever run a single mile that fast with a 40 pound weight vest.
Alright, who is going to try this? 40-lb vests are flocking expensive. If I had a sponsor, I would totally commit to this for up to two years, but I'm not just going to go out and spend my own money to prove this guy is a lunatic. Hey, if I can't get a sponsor, it's your loss, not mine.
uncle rico wrote:
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
The hilarity of this post cannot go unnoticed. Hobie Call is so ridiculous that the two feats are almost comparable. The guy is a clown.
Spare Me wrote:
uncle rico wrote:How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
The hilarity of this post cannot go unnoticed. Hobie Call is so ridiculous that the two feats are almost comparable. The guy is a clown.
Good point. I chuckled at the one too, but as you point out, it deserves more than just a chuckle.
Old Man Runner wrote:
lhbhh wrote:My racing weight 5 years ago was 140 lbs, I'm now 180 lbs. I'm ready for the challenge.
How much do you need to cover your living expenses? I'll have my people call your people!
What are your PR's?
800-2:05
mile-4:48
5k-16:32-run at my current weight, was a minute slower when I was 40 pounds lighter
I've already been training a ton with a shit diet, now I have an excuse to put some effort into losing it. Someone find out what this guys marathon PR is converted to a flat sea level course and that will be my goal time.
According to another insane marathoner's website, Hobie Call's 2:16:xx at St. George converts to a 2:19:xx on a flat, sea level course.
Sorry, my bad. Hobie did Top of Utah in 2:16:39, which converts to 2:14:46, with a tailwind. Or something.
uncle rico wrote:
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
Made my day lol!!!
P.O.Y.
These message boards are great! I come here for a laugh and almost always get one. I used to live in Salt Lake(almost 20yrs) and have to say that I've always been annoyed with all downhill courses here, especially marathons. While the mountains here are partially to blame the dang gready race directors use the downhill to market the race scenery/promise of a fast times. I really wish they had more "flat" courses. Still, I have to say that from my experience not all the downhill courses around here are as fast as the race organizers make them out to be. One of the very first marathon(Deseret news) has sections so steep that it totally trashes your legs in the first half and EVERYONE dies on the second half. Kenyans(the slower ones) have come and done it and all have the same experience. So the times actually end up being slow. I've run Chicago, Vegas, Phoenix, etc..and have way faster times on those courses then in Utah(sub 2:30 in Chicago) but never under 2:30 in Utah:-( anyway I've seen Hobbie a bunch of times but never actually talked to him and after reading this I have to agree that he's crazy arogant. To bad Utah is now famous on the letsrun/runnersworld map for downhill courses/crazy training schemes:-) there's plenty of way faster/saner guys here then Hobbie(was back in 2007)... lol
That looks like a sex website
what's stupid is the idiots that wrote that article...C'mon now....