Attention public employees; what's the most money you can steal from taxpayers without feeling guilty?

Yes, and we certainly need those thousands of gov't lawyers, don't we? Who else would we call on to sue our own citizens & States? Who else would defend gov't when citizens demand reform or that the beast be cut back?

And gov't radiologists are critical, aren't they? Can't have people being treated by a private sector physician, can we?

I think it's great that all these millions of gov't employees are so willing to work for only 150k/year, as a sacrifice to serve the Republic, instead of being greedy b#stards working twice as much for half the pay & a fraction of the benes. Best part is we let them vote for the candidates who will pay them more & more. We laugh at places like the Congo or some backwater South American or East European gov't for being openly corrupt, but we're worse than any. Nothing but a giant vote buying bribery scheme. Welcome to Amerika, home of the bought..

Carry on, comrades!

Wow, you have reading issues. Not to mention the anger ones someone else pointed out.

"You obviously are an idiot about military pay if you think the average enlisted soldier/Marine/sailor earns a decent wage"

Go back and read my post-- I never used the phrase "decent wage". I said "I think they're afforded better pay and benefits than the average high-school grad". And the starting salary in any service-line is better than the average pay for someone without a college degree. Your local recruiter will be happy to provide you the details from the bureau of labor statistics.

"Do you even realize while you prattle on about paying those who 'protect' us that the military is being cut? Did you know military benefits like retirement & health care are on the chopping block even while fed employees continue to rake it in?"

Yeah, quite aware of those things. When people like you elect tea-partiers into office, that's what happens.

"What are you even bitching about with your 150k+ salary + rich benes + zero overhead?"

Not bitching. Again, go read. Or at least try. Pay attention to the part where I said there is a lot more to job satisfaction than just pay.

"Plus free health care? That's unheard of in the private sector where you generally have to earn your keep"

I guess you missed the part where I discussed paying my share of my families health care plan-- which is strange, because later you talk about it. Oh well. Internal consistency is hard. But I guess my paying for it could be called free the way you look at facts.

"And you can't compare health insurance plans like they're a commodity where all features are the same"

That's rich, coming from a guy who wants to compare government to non-government salaries. Now all of a sudden nuance and valid comparisons are important?

"Thanks for being part of the problem. Are you at work now, posting on the taxpayer's dime?"

Nope, home with a sick kid. But since I get paid sick leave, yes, it is on the tax-payer's dime. Thanks.

and calling me a troll is just a great example of the conformist groupthink you've gone along with your entire lives, after neing brainwashed in gov't schools. Anyone who speaks out against the machine & openly disagrees is to be labeled & ostracized, if possible. Vigorous debate or having to justify your side is frowned upon. Better to be PC & just shout down those capable of independent thought & reason. You're marching in lockstep with Chooma & the gang. You're unworthy of the rights & freedoms you enjoy. You had an opportunity to step up & truly serve by joining the service years ago, but all of you passed on that, didn't you? But now you line up to suck at that gov't titty, hmmmmmm?

And before you start - No, your overpaid, underworked ass is not providing a similar needed service like the poor soldier deployed again in some garbage hole cesspool like Iraq by the politicians you keep putting back in office.

Oh, so the "tea partiers" are running the current administration and are therefore responsible for military cuts? Oh, ok..

I didn't say your healthcare was free, I said it would be free when you're drawing your $50k+ pension for life. But I'm sorry - please enlighten me on the actual cost. What will your hralthcare cost when you retire? $15/mo.? $50? Regardless, it'll be heavily subsidized by the very folks who are already paying thru the nose for their own healthcare.

Yes, valid comparisons are important, but I don't expect you to be capable of them. After all, you voted for a socialist for POTUS & are an educated idiot just like him..

The best-paid government employees are actually in private industry: defense contractors. Luckily we're not public employees, so no one whines about us being paid nominal wages.

makes perfect sense. The best paid government employees aren't employed by the government. Thanx for sharing..

MAURICE wrote:

makes perfect sense. The best paid government employees aren't employed by the government. Thanx for sharing..

See, this is why you are a nut. Where do you think the money to pay defense contractors comes from? I'll give you the answer: the government. When it comes to defense spending, the private sector does in fact pay higher salaries than the government (for similar jobs).

MAURICE wrote:

makes perfect sense. The best paid government employees aren't employed by the government. Thanx for sharing..

Exactly. I'm glad you awoke from your crazy ranting long enough to read my post.

Hi Maurice,

you seem to believe that teachers have got a super sweet deal. Why don't you become a teacher?

Retired military pension + VA disability=almost $4,000/month. Not stealing one red dime. I deserve every penny. I've been on a couple deployments and saw where Blackwater, Haliburton, etc offered big bucks to the Specialist(that was earning maybe $40,000 being deployed) and offering them almost twice that much for the same security guard position. Now that is your tax dollar being stolen. I had several guys stay on in Iraq for almost another 18 months deployment. They earned almost 2x as much being a contractor than a soldier. One of the guys paid off his house, cars, got completely out of any debt and saved over $20k for his kids college education, and he thanks you for your tax money. I taught in the public school system prior to going Active Duty Military. The hours are comparable, they suck. I coached cross-country and track. Once I counted all the pay and the hours involved, I figured I earned maybe $12/hr, my military time equalled about the same. you don't go into these jobs expecting to be rich, there are other rewards that you are after.

Do go on. I'm pretty sure 'government employee' would be defined as one employed by the government?

What's next? Shall we argue that the fastest land mammal is actually a Ferrari, not a cheetah, since Ferraris are faster than Cheetahs?

This has been an entertaining revelation as to the utter stupidity of the average American.

Duh...wHy-ee dONt u BeEcOM Uh Teechur If yu THinck THay hAlf It so GUd?

Well, I'd rather not take the pay cut to join the most underachieving, over funded, biggest dissapointment in the history of attempting to educate human children: The American public education system from 1962-2012..

I used to be a govt employee for many years and then moved to the private sector. It boggles my mind when I hear people describe the govt as inefficient or as having high overhead.

You couldn't get meetings catered at the govt. You couldn't expense anything. Ever. They have such a underpaid skeleton staff it's ridiculous. Don't hate til you've worked there. THe world needs these martyrs.

MAURICE wrote:

Duh...wHy-ee dONt u BeEcOM Uh Teechur If yu THinck THay hAlf It so GUd?

Well, I'd rather not take the pay cut to join the most underachieving, over funded, biggest dissapointment in the history of attempting to educate human children: The American public education system from 1962-2012..

Hi Maurice,

Based on your answer you don't seem to think teachers actually have it that good. That makes your indignation ring hollow.

Is Maurice really passionate about government workers, or is this an elaborate troll?

Either way, someone has way too much time on his hands.

Maurice, take the next few posts off and go for a run, man.

Dearest MAURICE,

Might I inquire unto you if you have yet had the pleasure to learn about the various feats and accomplishments of one Ms. Jordan Hasay? Please do advise.

Deepest regards,

Mr. Tash

MAURICE wrote:

You're right - I guess I made up the whole thing about fed workers knocking down 100k+ on average, or did I?:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm

The article is from 2 years ago, so I'd think the gap between fed employee salaries & private employees has only widened since. And USA Today is hardly a bastion of conservative opinion. And when you throw in federal benes & compare to private benes, it really gets out of hand.

Wake up & learn something, teacher man. You're just a tool in a giant brainwashing scheme to dumb down the next generation, comrade!

You do know that not all public employees are federal employees, right? Teachers are among the group that are NOT. The average teacher does not make six figures.

Not a g man wrote:

Is Maurice really passionate about government workers, or is this an elaborate troll?

Either way, someone has way too much time on his hands.

Maurice, take the next few posts off and go for a run, man.

The problem with people like Maurice is that he is clearly extremely poorly educated. Since he has no education, he has no respect for teachers. He can't rationally see the value in teachers because education has failed him.

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Not a g man wrote:

Is Maurice really passionate about government workers, or is this an elaborate troll?

Either way, someone has way too much time on his hands.

Maurice, take the next few posts off and go for a run, man.

The problem with people like Maurice is that he is clearly extremely poorly educated. Since he has no education, he has no respect for teachers. He can't rationally see the value in teachers because education has failed him.

He probably is not as poorly educated as tou insinuate. However, he has a strong hatred for teachers for some reason. My guess is his Civics teacher was also a coach who picked on him for not being good enough to make the team, so he did not pay attention when the differences between the levels of government were presented and missed the part about where the federal government does not employ teachers; which is a role of the local government.

Agreed. Education - i.e. American gov't skool education - has failed me, as it has millions of others...We spend $10k/student (or thereabouts)/year to generate relatively uneducated children, yes? Where are the teachers to defend the system? All I hear is crickets on that issue..