DIII Indoor Track and Field 2011

The ethical thing would be to not go and give the spot to somoene else. But then, the guy DID qualify and if he wants to go, I might take him. I guess you have to go case by case and decide based on circumstances.

Think about a similar situation, it really happened:

In the area where I coach we hade two XC teams- ranked 2 and 3 in the state. Only one can go.

Team A- 5 very good runners, 6-7- VERY slow, like 26:00 5k girls.

Team B- 7 very good runners- the 7th runner was under 21:00.

Team A wins regionals, their top runner has a stress fracture and can't run in states.

They ran as a team and did horrible. Team B actually had 4 individuals make it and had their 5-6-7 run they prolly would have finished 2nd.

Other coaches from the region were angry at Team A's coach (pre meet) for NOT giving his team spot to Team B. Keep in mind that his 4 remaing good runners wuold have run as individuals.

Team B's coach agreed with A's decision and said he would have done the same thing.

What would you do?

I agree, I just know this happens all the time and wanted to hear what other people thought. I feel there should be a consequence if this happens because your right a healthy runner could be racing and have a shot at an AA. All the while the coach knows there athlete is not ready to race fast and is hurt.

This situation happens nearly every year. First one to my mind was from several years ago. A sprinter from Cortland was the top seed (or close) in the 55m dash. I'll let you figure out who it was, but anyways. When we got to the facilty (St. Olaf), he was warming up, then decided not to race. The NCAA officials weren't too happy about it and I'm sure the 1st guy out wasn't either. But it is something that happens every year and I don't see any reason it will stop.

This is the reason DI went to track regional places correct? and I was initially against it but it makes a lot more sense. They want the best of the best and healthy athletes at the meet so have a regional qualifier and it is done by place the week before nationals. Then this will do away with athletes hitting the mark and then not being healthy come the NCAA Meet. I would like to see it change AGAIN.

That sucks man sorry to hear that, sounds liken coach A is an inconsiderate prick.

Vin wrote:

This situation happens nearly every year.

There is one school that two of the past three years has had the last place finisher in the 10K at nationals, and both times it was a person who qualified about six weeks before nationals and then got injured. Is it really worth it to run someone at nationals only to have them get lapped twice, or should the coach have told the athlete "No"?

The coach should be ethical enough to tell the athlete you are injured and give the spot to healthy person who might get an All-American. Unfortunately in these situations the coach is greedy and only looking out for there own interests.

I think team A should run in this case. They earned it, they should go. Are you as a coach seriously going to say, "Sorry, runners 6 and 7, but you're so awful that it's not even worth bringing you to states without girl 1"? Besides, who knows? Maybe one of the girls will have a breakout race and the team will do well.

This is one of those cases when what everyone says they would do and what they'd actually do are very different.

Nationals is a little different, but I think it would depend on the athlete. If it's probably your only chance to ever run at nationals? Sure, go for it. Otherwise just get back in shape for outdoors.

Forget ethics, the first guy out should have just run faster and made it in. There have been plenty of instances where people who were sick or were feeling injured the day before a race came out and still had a good day. If you earn the spot in the first place you get to do whatever you want with it. That's fair.

Ethical Question wrote:

I agree, I just know this happens all the time and wanted to hear what other people thought. I feel there should be a consequence if this happens because your right a healthy runner could be racing and have a shot at an AA. All the while the coach knows there athlete is not ready to race fast and is hurt.

Not an ethical question for my team this year, it was actually a reality. We did not enter the athlete in question despite the fact he/she was ranked in the top 4. No way he/she could have competed at a national caliber level.

jordan taylor wrote:

CptJag wrote:

I wouldn't be shocked at a sub 4 outdoor mile

Who's going to break 4 outdoors?

Scheetz's 800m time is equivalent to faster than a 4 minute mile by many standards.

Ok so enough of these ethical arguments, let´s get some predictions going. Here´s what I got...

800 - I know Scheetz has been a beast, but I´m not sure he´s quite strong enough for the double, and I´m not sure he´s the best tactician either, so i think he just barely gets beat on this one by Hutton. Third is a crapshoot but I´m guessing its not gonna be someone who´s also doing the DMR.

1. Hutton

2. Scheetz

3. Willett

Mile - With a 4:04 and a 1:48 under his belt, its hard to see Scheetz losing this one. The field is good but no one else stands out as challenging him. McCarthy was a beast in XC and ran fast in december, but hasn´t been as impressive indoors this year. Sullivan got second outdoors last year in the 1500 and has a fast 8 this year, so i´ll give him second.

1. Scheetz

2. Sullivan

3. Brown

5000 - Nobody has come close to touching Sathre in D3 this year, and i think he´ll continue his undefeated streak. I don´t expect him to take it from the beginning like xc, but maybe make a big move with a mile to go that separates the field. Could see a lot of people coming in second and third. Schillit and Schmidt ran impressive times, but have yet to run at a super high level at nationals and fast track times from BU often dont turn into good nationals performances (ie Heymann last year). Breitbach looks to be coming back but might not quite be there. Kramer ran a 14:07 (unattached) in december but only 14:20 in a competiive race and 8:26 solo in february. I think the biggest challenge to Sathre will come from Nelson, whose two races have been big wins and were quite fast (8:15 and 14:20).

1. Sathre

2. Nelson

3. Kramer

DMR - The teams with the top two times, MIT and Bowdoin, have everyone fresh so on paper they´re definitely the favorites. More than any other race, however, qualifying times often mean little and a lot of times it just comes down to who has the best anchor. Hannon from MIT (with a 4:06 this year) has got to have the biggest upside and they´ve got a strong 800 leg to put them in a good position, so I´m calling them for the win. Anyone doubling from the mile will have a real tough time, so I don´t expect much from Wabash or Stevens Point. Middlebury could be strong, but I don´t think that whoever their anchor is is gonna win anything. I think Etown might surprise.

1. MIT

2. Bowdoin

3. Elizabethtown

I wouldn't count McCarthy out in the mile. I think his 4:02 to anchor Wabash's DMR in Boston is pretty impressive.

Don't count out Greg Whittle in the mile this weekend. I'm not calling him for the win, but don't be surprised if he mixes it up in the top 3-4. He finished 2nd indoors last year and 4th outdoors. Also, he he won't have to worry about any DMR duties this weekend.

bump...lets get this on the first page.

bump...lets get this on the first page.

Live results? I tuned in a bit late and I think I missed prelims for the mile. I'd like to see men and women's prelims results if you have 'em. Thanks!

Lewis doesn't advance in long either. Crazy crazy day in D3 athletics.

too baddddddd wrote:

Did not look good at all. Looked like he may have been injured?