2012 Patriot League XC

nalgenemadeinchina wrote:

bucknell can out drink anyone in the league so I won't look to them to be up there at conferences this year.

What makes you say that?

read the whole message board bro

No need for hostility here. I think there should be some skepticsm on this topic. My bet says that Navy and Army could out drink them and seeing as they can't drink at all because of their duties, that is pathetic.

After days of work I figured out the best schools (in the Patriot League) for distance athletes who solely want to get as fast as they can in their 4 years of training/racing.

1. Colgate

2. Lafayette

3. Navy

4. Lehigh

5. American

6. Army

7. Bucknell

8. Holy Cross

This list was based off of all the current Seniors for XC as shown on their home page's roster. I compared HS PR'S verses current PR's and the percentage of improvement.

I was pretty surprised with the results. Colgate had the highest avg percentage of improvement and it wasn't even close. Topping the individual list is Will Volkmann from Lafayette with a staggering 9.8% improvement! Flame away mofos!

So if you are a 12 minute HS 2 miler, go to Colgate or Lafayette and become a 1100 2 miler!

Post your data, or it's not real.

And I hope you went back and took the last 4-6 years instead of just last year.

Just the facts, sir wrote:

Post your data, or it's not real.

And I hope you went back and took the last 4-6 years instead of just last year.

Yeah, lehigh only has one senior.

COLGATE

Seniors

Chris Johnson 9:26 two mile 8:46 two mile 566 526 7.06% avg

Tim Phelps 10:06 two mile 9:24 606 564 6.93% 6.98%

Chris Wendt 10:32 two mile 9:48 two mile 632 588 6.96%

LAFAYETTE

Dayne Mosconi 9:21 9:06 561 546 2.67% avg

Chris Parker 9:18 8:54 558 534 4.30% 5.59%

William Volkmann 10:12 9:12 612 552 9.80%

NAVY

Chris Galvin 9:49 9:06 two mile 589 546 7.30% avg

Kyle Satterwhite 9:11 8:59 551 539 2.17% 4.73%

Lehigh

Lyle O'Brien 9:34 9:11 574 551 4.00% avg

4.00%

AMERICAN

Mark Allen 9:47 8:58 587 538 8.34% avg

Mark Leininger 9:19 9:07 (14:38) 559 547 2.14% 3.20%

Zach Weinstein 9:32 9:37 572 577 -0.87%

ARMY

James Hodgen 10:00 two mile 9:46 two mile 600 586 2.33% avg

Dan Jester 9:36 two mile 9:29 two mile 576 569 1.21% 3.06%

Brian Morenus 9:35 two mile 9:16 two mile (31:00) 575 556 3.30%

Kevin Russell 9:30 two mile 8:59 two mile 570 539 5.43%

Bucknell

Chris Applegate 9:42 9:39 582 579 0.51% avg

Ryne Carney 9:50 9:48 590 588 0.33% 1.85%

Brain Charland 9:38 9:31 578 571 1.20%

Dustin Horning 9:11 8:59 551 559 1.45%

DJ Krystek 9:52 9:08 592 548 7.32%

Chad Seigneur 10:01 9:50 601 590 1.83%

Robert Yamnicky 9:13 9:11 553 551 0.36%

HOLY CROSS

Dylan Leazes 9:40 9:40 580 580 0.00% avg

Kyle Shepard 9:20 9:31 560 571 -1.96% -1.53%

Brain Treadway 9:38 9:52 578 592 -2.42%

Kevin Turner 9:23 9:33 563 573 -1.77%

Just the guys that are seniors. Going back to past years and HS race results get hard to come by. Please feel free to elaborate on this if anyone has any info! I had to make all performances universal so I took the best performances anyone ran in HS and converted it to the two mile time you see (not 3200) and did the same for college times to get the differences. Not going to take the time and edit it so that it looks nice and neat on the message boards sorry.

This is just retarded! really?

Agreed, this could hardly be a worse analysis giving you incredibly irrelevant results. You cant do universal conversions for different distances like that because some guys are much better at certain distances and much weaker at others. High school 5K XC to 8K college XC PRs would have been better.

WTF????? wrote:

Agreed, this could hardly be a worse analysis giving you incredibly irrelevant results. You cant do universal conversions for different distances like that because some guys are much better at certain distances and much weaker at others. High school 5K XC to 8K college XC PRs would have been better.

Some guys are better at certain distances than others? Okayy...

Every single distance is covered and can be converted. That's the reason I used the conversion. So everyone was in the same boat regardless of what distance they ran. That way it doesn't matter if someone is better at the mile or better at the 10k the performance can convert to the 2 mile. Did you think I didn't convert any of the college times perhaps?

High School 5k races are incredibly inaccurate most of the time and would be a terrible indicator because of the differences in terrain and measurement inaccuracies. I would love to make this athlete development ranking better please keep giving me your ideas.

stats guy wrote:

I would love to make this athlete development ranking better please keep giving me your ideas.

Dude, I give you props for giving this a try. But you need much more data. Go back at least 5 years. It's insane that some teams only have one data point. Absolutely meaningless.

Why not find guys in college that were primarily 800 guys and compare them too? Seams pretty straightforward rather than just ignoring them.

And don't just take seniors. Some people improve a ton without making it to senior year (early graduation, injury, burnout). Remember Lyle Tolli? He only ran his sophomore year. Should we not count his improvement from a 4:15 hs guy to a 3:44 1500 college dude because he was never a senior. There are tons of other examples, he's just the best one that comes to mind.

Maybe instead of comparing times, you can take the best performances off the IAAF table and assign points. If someone focused on the 1000m indoors, we should take that time not a lesser 800/mile time that he had less opportunities with. And % improvement is kind of suspect anyway. A 10:30 minute hs 2 miler will have way more room to improve than a 9:00 guy. And I think we'd all agree that going from 10:30 to 9:30 is less impressive than 9:00 to 8:30, percentages be dammed.

Very interesting and obscure statistical analysis. As we all know, the slower you are, the easier it is to improve a lot so I'm not sure what you are really trying to prove here

Maybe a better idea would have been the use of the IAAF scoring performance tables and taking multiple events and years into consideration. A lot of guys make big improvement jumps from junior year in HS to senior year in HS. Still, interesting analysis

Dayne Mosconi a 9:06 two miler! Chris Parker an 8:54 two miler! Hide yo kids hide yo wives! Lafayette is taking home the XC title for sure this year!!

Chris Parker looks like a threat to take home a Patriot league title with that deuce PR!

So i guess 1:49 = 8:54...

Like one guy said, Navy's recruits will experience less improvement percentage in college, because they are already good when they get there. Not that Colgate and Lafayette don't get good recruits, but the average recruit at Navy is just faster....

So the real question is this...

Which patriot league team scores more slams? Here are my predictions...

1.)Bucknell- They are all rich, country-club going, yacht owning bros. Granted their talent on the course can't back this up. But I will give them a solid 9/10 on being able to slay freshman girl.

2.)Navy- Too bad the Navy girls aren't grade A super models because they are in the military and most likely lesbos. But have you seen the dudes on this team? They have got some total studs. Besides, the dudes like sharp in uniforms as well as kicking ass on the course.

3.)Colgate- Chris Johnson. enough said. How many girls do you think he wakes up to every saturday morning? My bet is at least 3.

There is the gold, silver, and bronze for you.

nalgenemadeinchina wrote:

So the real question is this...

Which patriot league team scores more slams? Here are my predictions...

3.)Colgate

There is the gold, silver, and bronze for you.

There's not a more awkward group of guys in the league. In any sport.