pure conjecture wrote:
ventolin, have you been following Rupp's career? He is not a 5k specialist, never has been. Always a 10k guy. Anyway, 3:33, 12:47, 26:40, I think that's Rupp's "line". Those are probably lifetime PRs.
Pretty much agree, though I think he'll be closer to 26:30 or under.
He could run 12:45 as well, but it's hard to see him piercing 3:33. I'll put him at 12:48/26:27 just for grins.
ventolin^3 wrote:
you are a f*cking moron
calculator works for
- man whom many consider owner of best distance record on track - komen
- 2nd best collection of 1500/mile/2k/3k/5k times ever - sief
- best non-chinese/african track distance runner in hx - paula
idiot
find me a calculator that gives better results for komen/sief/paula & i'll subscribe immediatly
or f*ck off
So, to summarize, you really, truly and sincerely do not have any understanding of these most basic of mathematical concepts. And gosh darn it, if you have to pull up irrelevant facts and curse your butt off 'til the cows come home in order to demonstrate your own ignorance, that's just what you'll do.
Got it.
Mrr82 wrote:
Vent you missed the point almost entirely across the board. Point was in the past Rupp has died hard when trying to run with the best and did do because he just wasn't quite there. This year he hasn't been run away from because no race has been fast enough with the shape he's I'm. But a 329 1500 race he wouldn't be there right at the end, and a 1245 pace if ever attempted again he'd probably fade slightly before the kick.
I know bek and lagat aren't still im that shape. Again not relevant. Point was they closed I'm 51.9 not because they were fast speed wise (although it helped) but because that pace didn't tire them. The poster was ignoring the fact that getting outkicked has more to do wytg the comp not being as taxed come the last lap. Rupp can close 52 probably in a 1320 race. He has the speed just not the endurance (yet) to close that fast while running
13 flat. If he was I'm WR shape he could close I'm 52 and go 1259 as well.
Also he is mostly in training...but so is Farah and everyone else...so unsure why that matters.
First sentence: "with the best and did do"?
second sentence: "with the shape he's I'm"?
fourth sentence: "still im that shape"?
fifth sentence: "Point was they closed I'm 51.9 not"
sixth sentence: "getting outkicked has more to do wytg the comp"
ninth sentence: "If he was I'm WR shape he could close I'm 52 and go 1259 as well."
How in God's green Earth do you type that badly? Your logic and message are not wrong, but seriously are you typing on a Speak & Spell?
You have five instances of "I am" for the word "in".
His message is clear. He communicates his ideas, and the spelling doesn't matter.
ggg wrote:
For heavens sake, Vento is medical doctor - not a statistician. Most doctors don't have flair for mathematics.
Nor for customer relations, obviously.
If he dropped the idiot and moron and just left the rest, it would be fine.
Rupp got dropped indoors, if not outdoors, at 3k. He's never yet been able to kick with the leaders with top competition and it seems pretty premature to give such stellar times, unseen in many years, to a guy never to have won a European race.
No one has approached a time like 12:45 since the EPO era. If Rupp does it, well... suspicious would an understatement.
The OP's claim of rupp running 12:45 is pure wishful thinking. You can't give rupp a 12:45 just because he ran a 3:34 1500m. Stop overrating him....jeeeze.
Giant Johnson wrote:
No one has approached a time like 12:45 since the EPO era. If Rupp does it, well... suspicious would an understatement.
Everything Mo and Galen do is suspicious to lets run standards.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Meh... wrote:You get pilloried for thisstuff because the numbers are fudged
nonsense
You obviously get a big kick out of peoples' reactions to your posts
no
You honestly thinking that Galen Rupp is capable of running 12:44? I mean really, dude, this is troll material
idiot
his coach is aiming for 12'45
he's not wrong
He has run 12:58 rigging up like a marionette in the last 100m, which indicates his speed is lacking in a big way in comparison to the top Africans
& he's not peaked yet
ever see komen who ran 12'39 & got enough "marionetting" in his career in last laps let alone 100 - kiptanui, geb, etc
I say that Rupp is maxed out at something like 12:55
drivel
just the wind cost him at worst 12'55
& that doesn't include slow pace ( 12'55 )/uneven laps/not peaked
he just doesn't even have the speed to be able to run 4:47
no
endurance can counter deficit
a 2k list with komen at 4'51.3 in 13th is absurdly weak - he split 4'53+ in his 7'20
That is a non-sensical,make-believe, fairy tale assumption
only for idiots lacking thought
You obviously don't understand how fast that really is
idiot
i saw virtually everyone of those races on tv
The same goes for 7:23...that is what El G ran a few days before he ran 4:44, the same year he ran 3:43 for one mile and 3:27 at the world championship
idiot
he ran suicidal 2'26/2'27 2nd k in that which killed him in the end
if he'd run sensibly, he wouda gone 7'20/7'21
remember the race ?
But here you have 51.3, 1:48.0, 3:31, and here it comes wait for it...12:44?????? Show me where has run 1:48.0?
idiot
he ran 1'49i when raw kid
don't think he's got only slightly quicker thru years of training/maturity ???
MORCELI ran 4:47 and 7:25
you see that 7'25 ???
remember he was 5'00+ then went 2'25 & 55 on last lap
he in 7'25 shape that day ?
If Galen Rupp can run 4:47 and 7:23, don't you think he could go faster than 3:31 for 1500m? More like 3:28 AT LEAST
no
morceli didn't bring 26'48 to the table to hang onto a 3'31
With your formula complete with times that Rupp has never even been close to (3:31 and 3:34 are not close to each other in terms of fitness)
learn to read
i said if he ran 3'34 of little speedwork
3'31/3'32 is possible if that is the case
you are essentially saying that he is at Geb, El G, Morceli, Komen, and Bekele's level
no
they were capable of 7'18 - 7'22
All of these men were capable for going sub 49 for 400m from a standing start, with the exception of Komen
no
komen got busted enough in slow races
& geb/kennster were no 49 guys
Rupp will never have that kind of speed, not to be a jerk, but he'll never close in 53 in a 5k race under 13:00. Morceli did it 51 in the rain
nonsense
he finished in 13'03
morceli may have been 12'52/12'53 that day flat-out
Be realistic.
i am
Rupp is pretty damn close to peak shape 3 weeks out from the trials, and didn't run 12:58 off of base training. Sharpening up into the summer is not going to lop 10 seconds of his pr if we assume that it is 12:55. Come on, bro.
Komen only rigged up because he ran from the front, pushing the pace in world record pace races like the warrior that he was, (something that Rupp does not have the balls to do and will never do in his career) running up in front of El Guerrouj and Niyongabo in a race that was won 3:45, Komen outkicking Niyongabo for second. He also rigged up against Geb in 1997 3 days after he won the world championship 5000m, losing to Geb in a race that was won in 12:41, again pushing the front from 5 laps out. You talk about being fearless... I think we can cut him slack there.
Komen also ran that 4:51 in 1998, in a year where was most certainly not in the form of 1996 or 1997. Splitting 4:53 en route to 7:20, in my opinion, indicates that he could have gone sub 4:50 in 1996 or 1997.
El G didnt blow it by running 2:26/2:27 for the second 1000m. Komen was a few steps back from from the pacemaker who went through in 2:25 from a standing start. 2:27 is pretty damn sensible considering you have to run 3 of them in a row just to make it 7:21. Not a valid excuse for El G's performance that day. To give Komen the full credit he deserves, 7:20 was just out EL G's reach plain and simple.
To say that Geb was capable of 7:18 is an absurd stretch considering he ran 7:25 during the same summer of his 12:39 with a 3:59 last 1600m. Again, Komen's 7:20 was simply out of Geb's reach in the same fashion as it was for El G.
"A little speed work" is not going to get Rupp to 3:32. You make it seems as if Rupp ran 3:34 with little speed work at all.
You are essentially saying that Rupp is Bekele's equal at all distances up to 1500m. This just isn't so, man.
I'll concede that Bekele and Geb were 49 guys. Check out this vid where Bekele says his bests for 400m, 800m, and 1500m are 49, 1:48, and 3:32:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8439129.stmYou are still saying that Rupp has more potential than Morceli at 5000m.....
lol
If Rupp was capable of those times for 3k and 5k, he would be a lot closer to them than he is now. The most realistic number that calculator gave you was 26:35 for 10k, which doesn't make much sense either, because an endurance guy who runs 12:44 or 45 should be running something under 26:30.
How are you not saying that Rupp isn't on the level of those guys when you have him as being able to run times for the longer distances that are faster than paul tergat, sileshi sihine, eliud kipchoge, a doped Saidi-Seif, Shaheen, and a doped mourhit? If those guys were capable running almost 5 seconds than they did, they would have run what you said they could...
If Geb or Kenenisa could have run 7:18, they would have done so, or at least have been closer than 7:25.
I'm not sure the length of that post was rupp certified
Since all the fan boys are disappointed in Webb they are now concentrating their attention on Rupp.
Alan Rupp......?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Mrr82 wrote:Getting faster and running faster aren't the same thing. Rupp barely lost in a 1500, running the pace the race was at. I would not have been surprised if the race was a few tics faster, that he would have run 3:33 on the same day. It's not like he finished 8th and finished 4 seconds behind the winner. He couldn't outkick them, but he managed the pace the entire way and was with them at the end.
I thought after that race he was more of a 3:33/12:52/26:35 guy now. His 5k reiterated my feelings as he was obviously not maxed out at 12:58, just couldn't close with the best. I don't think he'll go 12:45 this year even with a perfect race, but i do think he'll go where no American has ever gone if he gets in the right race.
That is quicker than what I would give him credit for, but I could be wrong and you may be right.
What I don't believe is that just because Rupp ran 3:34 (and possibly worth 3:33) and he has not hit his peak for the year (aiming for Olympic games) that he will necessarily be in 3:32 or 3:31 shape by the games, which is what Ventolin wants to give him "credit" for on his calculator.
Rupp and Salazar have a well established methodology of working to improve Rupp's speed with shorter races in Indoor and early in the outdoor season. As the season goes on they focus him more on the specific training to run his best 10000m. I would personally think it is more likely that his speed would be slightly less by August than it is today.
You say Salazar's methodology is well established. Yet you site no sources.
So you are saying at the time that Rupp should be in his biggest base running phase...that he is also ripping off 150's and working on his speed?
Gonna have to call BS wrote:So, to summarize, you really, truly and sincerely do not have any understanding of these most basic of mathematical concepts. And gosh darn it, if you have to pull up irrelevant facts and curse your butt off 'til the cows come home in order to demonstrate your own ignorance, that's just what you'll do.
Got it.
moron
calculator worked perfectly for 3k wr holder, greatest women distance runner of all time on the track & man who is in 2nd & 3rd all-time for 2k/3k
if your peabrain doesn't understand if it works for these varying elites, it will almost certainly work for any elites
find something better you imbecile
Meh... wrote:Rupp is pretty damn close to peak shape 3 weeks out from the trials
no
he might have all his endurance, but you sharpen up with speedwork before a trials as speed is what is needed in likely slow races
and didn't run 12:58 off of base training
you have no idea whether he did or not
no distance runner is in peak shape few weeks before trials
Sharpening up into the summer is not going to lop 10 seconds of his pr if we assume that it is 12:55. Come on, bro
no
salazar said they were in ~ 12'50 shape because of wind ( & i'd add slow pacing for 12'55 )
that means he woud need less than 5s to get to 12'45 - very possible in near future - even this year if he has any energy left after london
Komen only rigged up because he ran from the front, pushing the pace in world record pace races like the warrior that he was, (something that Rupp does not have the balls to do and will never do in his career)
idiot
clearly you didn't see his 8'09i where he ran solo the last mile
Komen also ran that 4:51 in 1998, in a year where was most certainly not in the form of 1996 or 1997. Splitting 4:53 en route to 7:20, in my opinion, indicates that he could have gone sub 4:50 in 1996 or 1997
try nearer 4'46
if you believe hicham's 4'44 is a true measure of his ability based on the only 2k he ever ran, then you haven't a clue about 2k
El G didnt blow it by running 2:26/2:27 for the second 1000m
obvious you never saw whole race
it started pedestrian & hicham was urging pacer on the speed it up in 2nd k
pacer did but all in last 1/2 of the 2nd k with something like a 57/58 lap thrown in
that was too fast too soon & anyone who saw it feared hicham was going to be in trouble at the end
it turned out true - he crumbled in last lap, when if he'd just held on he wouda got a high-7'21/low-7'22
Komen was a few steps back from from the pacemaker who went through in 2:25 from a standing start. 2:27 is pretty damn sensible considering you have to run 3 of them in a row just to make it 7:21. Not a valid excuse for El G's performance that day
learn to read
hicham didn't get even 2'27s
he got too slow 1st & stoopidly fast 2k, nearly all of which which came in 1 lap
if he'd got smooth, even 2'27s to 2k he wouda very likely got his 7'20/7'21
i'm sure you remember watching the race
To give Komen the full credit he deserves, 7:20 was just out EL G's reach plain and simple
no
it was 50/50 whether he wouda got it off a smooth, even 4'54
To say that Geb was capable of 7:18 is an absurd stretch considering he ran 7:25 during the same summer of his 12:39 with a 3:59 last 1600m. Again, Komen's 7:20 was simply out of Geb's reach in the same fashion as it was for El G
idiot
i said 7'18 - 7'22 for a group
the one the 7'18 applies to is hicham
off 3'26, if his endurance had extended perfectly to 3k, then 7'18 was possible, or do you not think 7'18 is possibl for a 3'26 guy ???
geb had shit pacing in all his outdoor 3k attempts - nothing better than 4'56, which prevented anything better than 7'23, but he pretty much gave up when he saw 4'56 on the clock
go watch the races
anyhows, his 7'26i was by far his best race - that was worth high-7'22/low-7'23 & that was indoor season when not fully peaked for year
"A little speed work" is not going to get Rupp to 3:32. You make it seems as if Rupp ran 3:34 with little speed work at all
yes
You are essentially saying that Rupp is Bekele's equal at all distances up to 1500m. This just isn't so, man
their 400/800 times aren't much different, except kennster's endurance is so much better
I'll concede that Bekele and Geb were 49 guys. Check out this vid where Bekele says his bests for 400m, 800m, and 1500m are 49, 1:48, and 3:32:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/8439129.stm
i never said that they were 49 guys
geb may have been high-50
kennster maybe low-51
that 49 from vid is bullshit
he admits a 1'48
use your brain
there are plenty of guys who can run 1'48 off 49 speed
his 400/800 characteristics woud have to be unique ( meaning best 400/800 ratio ) to make him 5k/10k wr holder
You are still saying that Rupp has more potential than Morceli at 5000m.....
he was good for maybe 12'52 that day
hicham only ran 12'50
what's your problem ??
If Rupp was capable of those times for 3k and 5k, he would be a lot closer to them than he is now. The most realistic number that calculator gave you was 26:35 for 10k, which doesn't make much sense either, because an endurance guy who runs 12:44 or 45 should be running something under 26:30
no
kipchoge went 12'46 in his prime & has best of 26'49
he, like rupp, was more speed-orientated ( 3'33pb v rupps 3'34 )
How are you not saying that Rupp isn't on the level of those guys when you have him as being able to run times for the longer distances that are faster than paul tergat, sileshi sihine, eliud kipchoge, a doped Saidi-Seif, Shaheen, and a doped mourhit? If those guys were capable running almost 5 seconds than they did, they would have run what you said they could...
because he is his own man & not those guys
you are making the naive mistake of carving previous times in stone
there is no universal law saying rupp can't run faster than those guys
look at rudisha
he never looked better than maybe a career mid-1'42 guy back in '08
now he is 1'41.0wr holder
no one told him he can't run faster than cruz/coe/kipketer
rupp runs what he will
it has no bearing on what previous guys have done
If Geb or Kenenisa could have run 7:18, they would have done so, or at least have been closer than 7:25.
like i told you, geb never got better than 4'56 split & his indoor 7'26 was much better
kennster ran 7'26 in pouring rain/wind & cold in his best attempt ( only had a couple )
vid is on you tube - go watch it
Ventolin
If you really believed your own bullshit you would be willing to put your money where your mouth is. I will bet you Rupp will not run 12:45.
Here is the list of people who have ever run 12:45:
Bekele
Geb
Komen.
That's it. Rupp will not be joining them.
rupp will run 12'45 ( or intrinsic run = to 12'45, meaning damn quick time with poor pacing &/or wind, of similarity to something like mo running 12'53 with 60/53 finish ) before he hangs up his spikes
"Bekele
Geb
Komen"
learn to read
what they have run has nothing to do with rupp's capabilities
he is not running against ghosts or some hologram on the track going 12'37
& those guys ran <12'40
i have never claimed <12'40 for him, but 12'45 in a perfect race which is a veritable mile behind them
those 3 wouda probably gone 12'35 if they had had perfect races on their day
squidward tennis balls wrote:
I'm not sure the length of that post was rupp certified
Anyone who uses the name "Meh," to post is a light in the loafers, shorts, and brain.
ventolin^3 wrote:
it's almost certain rupp was in heavy training block at the time ( oxy 1500 is not a meet you attempt to peak for when you are rupp's calibre )
that woud indicate that he was in this shape off virtually 100% endurance work
I don't think you can make these assumptions. In an interview after the Pre 5k, Rupp said he would be focusing on more strength work prior to London, not speed. It implied his speed work was done.
didn't read the whole thread wrote:
I don't think you can make these assumptions. In an interview after the Pre 5k, Rupp said he would be focusing on more strength work prior to London, not speed. It implied his speed work was done.
Yup, it is the method Salazar has been following with Rupp since he was in college. Speed early in the season, strength work as you get closer to goal race.