ventolin^3 wrote:
Consider This wrote:I never said he wasn't a good runner, just that he was not a 3:24 guy. 3:53.1 is worth 3:35 high for 1500.i said "well below 3'30" not anything like 3'24
maybe 3'27/3'28 in his mexico form
& learn to read : 3'53.1, solo on a primitive dirt track
4s at 1s/lap quicker for a synthetic & 3s for 1s/lap drafting thru a pacer to bell & that's giving a 3'46.1 mile
factor in uneveness & altitude & even in late '67 he was good for 3'28 & likely better in mexico
ryun probably was a 3'24/3'25 guy in '67 ( & possibly 1'40.7/1'40.8 ) & that indicates why he smashed keino every time prior to '68
however, mono killed him in '68 & i reckon he had drifted out to 3'30 by then whereas keino in 3'27 shape
~ exactly the gap between them in mexico
these 2 guys were best 1500 runners by far we'd ever seen upto then ( & ryun still GOAT )
You can't chop bits off here and there to justify very outlandish claims based on no facts. Yes they both coulda run faster on synthetic but no way faster than EL G (who was likely doped to the eyeballs). Dirt tracks around the world differed and 1 sec a lap might be good for a 10k on a bad track but not realistic in a shorter race on a good one in hot conditions.
Likewise, altitude affects people differently. We can only speculate what Keino's run was worth at sea level.
1:40.7 for Ryun based on a run in 66 is laughable.
The idea that 2 men from 40 + years ago were that much better than the EPO robots of the 1990's is too far fetched.