Yes, beans are sentient.
However, cats are not sentient.
Yes, beans are sentient.
However, cats are not sentient.
trance dance turn in shawowski wrote:
Putting them in the freezer first does seem like a good idea, but it's not what I do. Unfortunately, I do not own a large enough pot to boil the creature whole so I typically boil the creature one end at a time.
this is just wrong. ethically and grammatically.
It has none of the telencephalic structures seen in chordates or even highly adapted supraespohageal ganglia like octopus or squid "brains", which by comparison with other animals that are considered intelligent and capable of suffering seem to be necessary for a meaningful experience of pain. Thus it is difficult to argue that inflicting noxious stimuli on them carries much ethical weight.Further, even if we accepted that the lobster experiences pain, what is your proposed humane method of killing and eating it? The very nature of its nervous system makes it very hard to kill in a neurological sense. Beheading it does not work, halving it does not work, freezing it does not work. Poisoning it is probably also noxious, even if you could find a fast way to do so without ruining its edibility. Boiling it is probably the fastest and most humane possible way to eat the lobster.
A website made of GOLD wrote:
dumb wrote:It senses and attempts to avoid a harmful stimulus but on the account of neurological hardware that you raise, it has no brain structure that we believe capable experiencing any conscious or emotional state that we would identify with as
pain.
Who's "we?" I, along with most marine zoologists and ethicists, disagree with you.
This guy could have used a couple of pops before he met his fate:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPtpPQDZ98E&feature=related
rocklobster wrote:
I always let them sit in wine for awhile before transfering to the boiling water
That's how I hope to leave this world one day.
please do wrote:
25 sittin on 25 mil wrote:So if I designed a robot which used sensors to avoid water or surfaces which are too hot and tried to escape when put in such situations, would it be unethical to boil it?
Go ahead and build the robot and then we'll talk. Until then, it's not really worth discussing. Let us know when it's built.
uhh, I don't think you got the point of the thought experiment.
Thanks for reminding me to get a couple of 2 pounders from Mike at the Point tomorrow. I'll be sure to immerse them head first in the boiling water.
All you tree huggers are idiots when it comes to food. Think about it: "oh, lord, I can't kill that head of broccoli because it's brother is right next to it, and it will die a terrible death because I cut it off at the base of it's stalk!"
Who the hell taught you this stuff???
Since we are on the subject of utensil and Styrofoam usage at eating festivals, you bring up an excellent points.
gourmet wrote:
Yatha Sidrha wrote:http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s/2004/08/consider_the_lobsterWallace sounds like a prick. It's a festival. Why would someone not expect styrofoam and plastic utensils?
lobsta in westport point, ma wrote:
Thanks for reminding me to get a couple of 2 pounders from Mike at the Point tomorrow. I'll be sure to immerse them head first in the boiling water.
All you tree huggers are idiots when it comes to food. Think about it: "oh, lord, I can't kill that head of broccoli because it's brother is right next to it, and it will die a terrible death because I cut it off at the base of it's stalk!"
Who the hell taught you this stuff???
People learn about science in school. Your post reads like that of an obnoxious high schooler, so I'm hoping that's roughly your age range.
Can you elaborate on how the 'tree huggers' are idiots when it comes to food?
I'd rather be boiled alive than torn limb from limb and slowly devoured by crabs, as happens in the sea.
Oddly, my mouth is literally watering reading this thread.
webby wrote:
I'd rather be boiled alive than torn limb from limb and slowly devoured by crabs, as happens in the sea.
Oddly, my mouth is literally watering reading this thread.
Actually lobsters kill and each other which is the major reason why they can't be farmed
Major props to the OP.
10/10
Who would have thought that such a ridiculous topic could take off like this.
Very nicely done.
I can't believe we aren't legally allowed to boil RepubliKKKans alive. That would solve all of the world's problems.
There was an episode of Saturday Night Live with Eddie Murphy that featured Larry the Lobster. Does anyone remember it? You could call one phone number to vote for saving Larry, or another number to vote that Larry would die by boiling. They had an "Up Close and Personal" profile of Larry that included mention of his membership in the organization Campus Crustaceans for Christ.
Can't find the original episode, but here is a subsequent clip:
http://www.zimbio.com/watch/nAXqObzEi0z/Larry+the+Lobster+s+Fate/Saturday+Night+Live
This is a war crime. There should a trail followed by executions.
They don't scrabble around after their wine bath.... plus they taste better.
I swear I heard my tofu scream when they poured the miso soup over it the last time I was at the Japanese restaurant.
rocklobster wrote:
They don't scrabble around after their wine bath.... plus they taste better.
Less stress hormones released after the wine bath.