How fast were your parents?

Concerned Citizen wrote:

Clue me in wrote:

What in that article supports your argument. Did you read it? It supports my argument much more than it supports yours (if at all).

"For events where physique is important, such as long distance cycling, marathon running, power lifting, and body building, genetics is obviously important." I guess the author reached a different conclusion than you did.

You are either completely delusional or a troll; I will not respond to any more or your posts.

Seriously, that article even says

"... even the world's leading authority on the study of the genetic influences on exercise performance, Claude Bouchard, has stated, "....the heritability of most performance is only low to moderate, with no evidence for a strong effect"

Clue me in wrote:

not that complex. wrote:

Genetics -------> talent

Environment ----> training

Some have neither. Others have one or the other. A few have both.

You really think that's an answer to my question? Your response is just as vague as "genetics". What EXACTLY do genetics have to do with this? What EXACTLY are you calling talent?

You start the same thread what daily? Weekly?

Do you NOT understand that genes MAKE UP WHO YOU ARE!! If you are decent runner chances are you are of slight build.. that in an of it's self is GENETICS! WTF don't you understand????

All of that is irrelevant, Clue me in. Just tell me. How fast were your parents? And how fast are you?

Yes, genes will determine if you're going to be 7'1" and 330 pounds or 5'1" and 103 pounds so to some extent genes will determine indirectly whether you're more likely to be an NBA center or a 2:05 marathoner. But not everyone who is Shaquille O'Neal's size was as good a center as he was. Not every tiny little guy will become a great distance runner.

The genes that determine if you're going to be closer to the 7'1" or the 5'1" end of the continuum have been identified. No gene affecting endurance performance has yet been identified. Of course, that could happen tomorrow but for now the argument that genes make you the endurance athlete you are cannot be made conclusively. And that neither confirms nor denies the existence of "innate talent." If innate talent does exist it does not necessarily follow that it's due to genetics.

JackOfAss wrote:

Clue me in wrote:

You really think that's an answer to my question? Your response is just as vague as "genetics". What EXACTLY do genetics have to do with this? What EXACTLY are you calling talent?

You start the same thread what daily? Weekly?

Do you NOT understand that genes MAKE UP WHO YOU ARE!! If you are decent runner chances are you are of slight build.. that in

an of it's self is GENETICS! WTF don't you understand????

You are an idiot. I did not start this thread. I have never started a thread about genetics.

What is "slight build" and how is it genetically determined? Do you mean muscles when you say build? Genetics will not make you 300 lbs. Diet and exercise make you 300 lbs.

They had sex before I was born.

Clue me in wrote:

You are an idiot. I did not start this thread. I have never started a thread about genetics.

What is "slight build" and how is it genetically determined? Do you mean muscles when you say build? Genetics will not make you 300 lbs. Diet and exercise make you 300 lbs.

Why do twins separated at birth retain the same body types?

Clue me in wrote:

JackOfAss wrote:

You start the same thread what daily? Weekly?

Do you NOT understand that genes MAKE UP WHO YOU ARE!! If you are decent runner chances are you are of slight build.. that in

an of it's self is GENETICS! WTF don't you understand????

You are an idiot. I did not start this thread. I have never started a thread about genetics.

What is "slight build" and how is it genetically determined? Do you mean muscles when you say build? Genetics will not make you 300 lbs. Diet and exercise make you 300 lbs.

And that's why you and shaq are the same size. idiot.

My Dad struck out 19 in a high school baseball game in Boston... had a 0.34 ERA that season with 18HR. MLB prospect. He fluctuated in weight like Elvis. Never ran but ran Boston in 3:19 as a 46-year old (took up running at 42yrs old).

My Mom did not play sports.

The did produce a son that was a pole vaulter, another son that ran 14:20's, a daugther that ran 17:00, and another son that ran 29:30's.

My parents were both pretty slow. My father couldn't crack 16 for 5k, and my mother barely even broke 18. I can run in the 12's pretty easy, but the problem is that I keep waking up. I actually don't run or even have lemon mirangue pie

Jack,

You're being an idiot again. I asked you what you meant by build and you didn't clarify. What I said is correct if "build" means composition. Surely, you agree, no?

But maybe you mean height (you still havent specified). Why wouldn't a really skinny Shaq be able to run a fast mile? Bones don't weight much. And even if they did, Shaq might be a poor example because his height is so extreme from the norm.

By the way, my Dad turns 60 this September, and he just destroyed me over 80m on the beach over Spring Break and put still throws in the low 80mph fastball, 72mph curve. There is something to "genetics." And he can physically kill me (has the strength of a bear). He fast-twitch is phenomenal (unbeatable in arm wrestling vs guys 3 x his size).

not that complex. wrote:

Clue me in wrote:

You are an idiot. I did not start this thread. I have never started a thread about genetics.

What is "slight build" and how is it genetically determined? Do you mean muscles when you say build? Genetics will not make you 300 lbs. Diet and exercise make you 300 lbs.

Why do twins separated at birth retain the same body types?

What are you calling "body type"? Composition or bone structure? And where did you hear that they retain the same body type after separation?

GR wrote:

By the way, my Dad turns 60 this September, and he just destroyed me over 80m on the beach over Spring Break and put still throws in the low 80mph fastball, 72mph curve. There is something to "genetics." And he can physically kill me (has the strength of a bear). He fast-twitch is phenomenal (unbeatable in arm wrestling vs guys 3 x his size).

What parts of your story are you attributing to genetics? His fast twitch ness? That is entirely trainable. You could do what he does also if you practiced it.

Clue me in wrote:

What are you calling "body type"? Composition or bone structure? And where did you hear that they retain the same body type after separation?

You're the one claiming genetics has absolutely no bearing on body size and structure. That's a rather ridiculous claim. Thus the onus is on you to show me identical twins whose frames vary greatly. I'd love to see it.

Here's a couple identical twins who didn't meet until age 39. Pretty damn coincidental that they appear to be of extremely similar proportions, eh?

Dude, face it, you're either a troll or just a dim-witted/stubborn fool.

not that complex. wrote:

Clue me in wrote:

What are you calling "body type"? Composition or bone structure? And where did you hear that they retain the same body type after separation?

You're the one claiming genetics has absolutely no bearing on body size and structure. That's a rather ridiculous claim. Thus the onus is on you to show me identical twins whose frames vary greatly. I'd love to see it.

Here's a couple identical twins who didn't meet until age 39. Pretty damn coincidental that they appear to be of extremely similar proportions, eh?

http://lornareiko.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/2.jpg?w=235&h=179

Dude, face it, you're either a troll or just a dim-witted/stubborn fool.

No, you just have poor reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. I never said that genetics have nothing to do with body size and structure. I said that muscle size and strength and body composition are entirely changeable through training.

Why do most fast, elite runners have a certain BMI? All the fast guys are about 5'9" and 130 pounds. I'll bet that if you measured their femur length and other body proportions that they would be extremely close. Guys like Solinsky are rather rare for distance runners. There are exceptions but the vast, VAST majority are a certain size and weight. Why are all African Americans in the US (from West Africa) all sprinters while the East Africans are distance runners? Is it all attributable to culture or social influences?Look at pro tennis players. The very best players are all 6'1" or 6'2" because it gives them enough height for consistent serves but leaves them nimble enough to move around court. Rarely do you see a giant like John Isner, who is 6'7" do well in tennis. Genetics are a VERY big part of all sports. I have friends that have run for years, eat healthy, and do workouts. Within a year of running, I was faster than them. And I didn't run much. You can call it genetics or God given talent or innate ability or whatever. The fact is that not everybody is capable of making the olympics, going professional, or even making a Division 3 tiny college team.

Clue me in wrote:

GR wrote:

By the way, my Dad turns 60 this September, and he just destroyed me over 80m on the beach over Spring Break and put still throws in the low 80mph fastball, 72mph curve. There is something to "genetics." And he can physically kill me (has the strength of a bear). He fast-twitch is phenomenal (unbeatable in arm wrestling vs guys 3 x his size).

What parts of your story are you attributing to genetics? His fast twitch ness? That is entirely trainable. You could do what he does also if you practiced it.

Also, that picture proves nothing. Are you kidding me? ONE set of identical twins have similar bodies so that means that ALL twins have similar bodies no matter what?

And you call ME dim witted?

Clue me in wrote:

Also, that picture proves nothing. Are you kidding me? ONE set of identical twins have similar bodies so that means that ALL twins have similar bodies no matter what?

And you call ME dim witted?

OK, until you produce a pair of vastly different-sized identical twins, I'm done talking. Good luck.