Sad Day for German Fernandez

Mrr82 wrote:

Yfhfufncudj wrote:

I was thinking something similar. After yesterday, Fernandez is just an afterthought. We now have to follow (in no particular order):

Lalang

Batty

Hill

Sambu

Estrada

Korir

Derrick

Levins

McCarthy

Van ingen

O'Hare

Centro (?)...

I wouldn't forget the up and coming star Robbie Creese.

+Cory Leslie of tOSU

Not to mention your absurd hyperbole involving earthworms, it's an open question whether or not Fernandez's talent is more suited to the long distances. One has to consider that an important part of 'talent' is the ability to do the training necessary to run great performances. If a runner can't hold up to the training for, say, the 10K without becoming injured, yet can train well at lower volume for the mile, one can't really say that they are more suited to the 10K. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case for Fernandez - who hasn't shown anything like his previous form at the mile, either - but I would like to make the point that talent and durability are not wholly separate issues.

David Wilson wrote:

Not to mention your absurd hyperbole involving earthworms, it's an open question whether or not Fernandez's talent is more suited to the long distances. One has to consider that an important part of 'talent' is the ability to do the training necessary to run great performances. If a runner can't hold up to the training for, say, the 10K without becoming injured, yet can train well at lower volume for the mile, one can't really say that they are more suited to the 10K. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case for Fernandez - who hasn't shown anything like his previous form at the mile, either - but I would like to make the point that talent and durability are not wholly separate issues.

The issue of whether durability is considered to be a talent, or a component of one's talent is open to debate as has been discussed ad nauseam in an earlier thread.

Now, as far as retarded earthworms - no that was not at all hyperbole but rather indisputable, objective truth.

like i told all of you back when German was in HS, the kid peaked early because of mileage and early maturity. this has nothing to do with poor coaching, over training, too much racing, or the grass being to green. kid trained hard in high school, matured early and peaked early. i don't understand what is so hard to understand about that.

How could he train hard with high milage when he didn't start running till later, and when he missed large amounts of time with injury?

Yeah, he most likely peaked from intensity of training (Daniels), rather than mileage. If he had gone Lydiard training, with long easy runs, etc, he probably wouldn't have been getting injured all the time.

Yeah because Snell had a really long career.

Does everyone remember 3 years ago when German ran 3:56.5 out of nowhere on a January morning just months after pulling up lame at XC Nationals, where he was likely on his way to a top 10 finish (about where he finished 2 of the last 3 years)

His training between that time and his first race indoors was full of intensity, but was done mostly on the Alter G Treadmill at OSU. Presumably German ran on this treadmill often during the entire track season to protect himself from injury.

Could the overspeed and extra stimulus from training on this treadmill have been the key to his freshman year track season??? Because German didn't have to worry about getting injured he was able to tear it up in training on the treadmill.

Maybe Germans not getting back to his 3:55 mile speed, because he's not able to train at that level in real life.

If I'm Dave Smith I'm putting German back on that machine and telling him to run fast again.

lol@tards.. wrote:

fernandez was 18 when he ran a SOLO 3:55... the only one of that group with more talent is lalang...

No big deal, would be a fairly common event for 18 year old collegians can run faster than that, if they were willingly to skip Indoor NCAAs and then jeopardize their entire future running career burning themselves out.

ihskjsjhdgh wrote:

No big deal, would be a fairly common event for 18 year old collegians can run faster than that, if they were willingly to skip Indoor NCAAs and then jeopardize their entire future running career burning themselves out.

What language are you writing in?

I see he didn't run at Conference. I've been a fan of Fernandez just as I'm a fan of any promising American kid who has potential to make a mark on the world stage, like Rupp, Derrick, Centrowitz, etc.

I vividly remember that German did low mileage in h.s. and was excited to see what he could do with some miles in the bank. His h.s. coach was definitely confident that German's race was to be the 5000, and predicted he could go as fast as 13:18 his Freshman year. He wasn't too far off -- he ran 13:25 in a very unevenly paced championship race. Despite missing some training during the spring due to injury, he certainly had what it takes at that distance.

I wasn't terribly worried by his slow mile earlier this season because I figured he would finally go back to 3000 and 5000 like he should. But he must be injured yet again. Here's hoping he's able to compete outdoors.

Talent doesn't go away. He has such great form, he always looked effortless when he was running well. I still think with the right coaching he can do something special.

BTW, I don't think his teammate Lowe ran indoors either. Any word on him?