I'm still a fan of Lance, the badass. Here's why.

coach bigfoot wrote:

jonesy johnson wrote:

Two more morons. You two would probably admire me for nailing your women while using Viagara, just because I still had to tolerate looking at them.

I'm confused. Are you assuming I'm a man? Or a lesbian? .

Monsieur Le Monde, are you calling me a man or a lesbian?

Ironically, Lance is an admitted atheist. He is his own God, which is completely contrary to the teachings of Jesus. If he wasn't such an arrogant narcissist, I imagine plenty of people could forgive him. What he needs is not only to admit his failures as a human, but to sincerely apologize to those he hurt either financially or emotionally and perhaps make some headway toward making them whole, repent and seek forgiveness and redemption. In other words, he needs Christ. His charity, even with all of the good it has purportedly done, appears to have been just a charade to boost his image. Perhaps he should GENUINELY focus on that aspect of his life.

He had many chances to own up to his cheating, but he malevolently threw others under the bus. Oh, and he did fail a test, and it looks like he paid to cover up another one. Cycling and other sports are inherently dirty, no doubt. The difference is, guys like Vaughters admitted their failures and turned over a new leaf, in an effort to clean up the sport and behave in a more ethical manner. But Lance? Lance decided to ride again to PROVE to his children that he wasn't a cheater. And now? Lance needs to be broken, will be broken, and only then will he see what really matters in this life. And then his love can be sincere and heartfelt. I hope he can reach that level of introspection, because, having doped for so long in the wake of cancer, there's no telling how many years he has left.

^^ jibberish. he does not need Jesus and who are you to decide that the LiveStrong Foundation wasn't genuine.

This is just an attempt by all the average/normal people to make themselves feel better by saying what they think is wrong with Lance.

At the end of the day, Lance has done more good in the world than ANY of you - sorry, face the music. His only flaw - is taking drugs to win a bike race.

still a fan. wrote:

Everybody else was doping too so it was a level playing field. That said, 7 times is amazing. He didn't cheat. He did what he had to do to be able to compete with everyone else in the field. I'm still a fan.

Not everyone reacts the same to the drugs. So it is not an "even playing field." Even if everyone did react the same, the sport becomes more about who has the best doctor, not who has the most talent + best training. So lets pretend UCI administers the same drugs to all athletes in an effort to create an "even playing field", then you'll have guys doing drugs on top of that to get an advantage. The best action to take is to ban the PEDs and punish any users.

ah, some actual evidence/insight from someone who used EPO. how refreshing. well done. that guy explained it very clearly, the edge it gives.

but the sad part is the cheating isn't even the major problem with lance's situation. repulsive as it is, and even let's say he would have won with out it, which i find VERY hard to believe (then why would he have taken it?), it's the LYING and hostility toward people telling the truth that makes me have pretty much 0 percent respect for him. the cancer charity stuff is the only thing i still kind of admire, and even that makes me suspicious, given all the vicious lies.

Lance made a lot of money off his NIKE cancer charity, all in the name of doing something good. It's a perfect skim-off-the-top scam, he was the consummate hypocrite.

And who is Coach Dunbar? Get your priorities sraight. Anyone who gets behind Lance and his cheating artifice has a very low bar for their morality. You, sir, have no business invoking the teachings of Christ on this.

still a fan. wrote:

Everybody else was doping too so it was a level playing field. That said, 7 times is amazing. He didn't cheat. He did what he had to do to be able to compete with everyone else in the field. I'm still a fan.

Lance was the best Tour De France rider, based on his 7 wins, regardless of cheating in my book. He is a fraud for sure and a bigger jerk to go along with it - which is the reason all of this is happening now.

He is not the best cyclists though, far from it. He and his teammates focused on only 1 race the entire year, when most of everyone else was focusing on many other major races, including the other two huge 3 week cycling championships. They made the best team setup for that one, cherry-picked race, full to the brim on dope.

Tough dude, hardworker, but not the best cyclists ever because of his Tour De France wins.

100 years ago they used to hang thieves. Lance stole money and opportunity from other riders throughout his career. He's lucky it wasn't 100 years ago, he might have been hanged by the neck until dead! He got off easy.

Lance = incredibly talented and excellent at what he does

Lance = cheater, arrogant douche

Both true

True Christian wrote:

Lance made a lot of money off his NIKE cancer charity, all in the name of doing something good. It's a perfect skim-off-the-top scam, he was the consummate hypocrite.

And who is Coach Dunbar? Get your priorities sraight. Anyone who gets behind Lance and his cheating artifice has a very low bar for their morality. You, sir, have no business invoking the teachings of Christ on this.

Indeed. And now Lance is going to join a whistleblower investigation so that he can continue competing in triathlon? Has he learned nothing? I thought it wasn't about the bike.

jibberish, I have donated probably more of a percentage of my income/time towards private research into CFS/M.E. than Lance and yourself have to any cause. The difference is I don't have the grand stage to parlay it into something much bigger, and I did not/will not benefit financially from this.

I don't need to denigrate anybody to feel better about myself. I just find it unbelievable, almost amusing, that people still ardently defend Lance after he destroyed so many lives, including messing up his marriage and likely screwing up his kids too. Such is the state of America, where we are all our own God now, and this place is descending into a cesspool.

still a fan. wrote:

Everybody else was doping too so it was a level playing field. That said, 7 times is amazing. He didn't cheat. He did what he had to do to be able to compete with everyone else in the field. I'm still a fan.

Then neither did Ben Johnson or Marion Jones or _________. Ahhh, the "level playing field" argument - not much left for the fanboys to hang onto now that Lance is admitting he cheated. PEDs are prevalent in all sports, including cycling, but you don't have to look very hard to learn that everyone wasn't doping. Hamilton and White in recent months have both said they need to apologize to all the clean cyclists. I tend to think they'd have a better idea of the true nature of pro cycling than a Lance fanboy.

I look at Lance the same way I look at Bonds, McGwire, and Sosa: personal sadness. They brought such great joy into my life, I really enjoyed the epic homerun races as much as I enjoyed watching LA roll up Alpe d'Huez. I was young enough to be a huge fan, but naive enough to believe it all. Sad.

You don't hear as much anymore about the roided up baseball players, except when it comes to hall of fame discussion. Will this with Lance blow over eventually to where he will become a sympathetic figure? Maybe not on letsrun but in society in general?

He was nothing more than a one day racer for years. Then he gets sick. Loses weight. And magically becomes a 7 time winner. AND none of you suspected anything?

We were all brainwashed because we wanted him to succeed.

Is it possible for the people that run this website to avoid putting their personal opinion in their headlines? All I see today is lance "STORMED" out of a "secret meeting" .."OF COURSE HE CHEATED" etc. by these letsrun snobs. Can't some of you snobs just post an article (and it's not just this one) that just states facts. Everytime I see an article there's some bias bs that no one ever challenges that eventually leads me thinking "gee. At least I know what they think of this guy." Amateurs.

He still worked out as hard as everyone else.

Wasn't on the couch eating donuts then got off his butt to race. I'm sure plenty of the haters would trade places for the feeling of being in his position just once.

RUNSAUL wrote:

He still worked out as hard as everyone else.

Wasn't on the couch eating donuts then got off his butt to race. I'm sure plenty of the haters would trade places for the feeling of being in his position just once.

than you!

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I'm still a fan of Hitler and his Nazis and here's why: Nobody takes over a large part of Europe without great leadership, fortitude, and brass balls.

Winning. (and then having it taken away, but still, winning. sort of)

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I really hope you're not a coach for several reasons.

You clearly don't understand the full effects of doping. The advantage isn't in the fact that you have drugs in your system WHILE you compete. Its the things that you can do with the drugs in your system BEFORE competition.

Lance would not have been leading the tours if he hadn't had the kind of preparation he did, while using the drugs. These led him to be able to train and recover better than anyone else did.

I don't think anyone who rides in the TDF is scared of pain or the ability to push thru pain. Saying that LA was the toughest of the lot is a complete stretch, given that he may not even have had to push as hard as the others if they weren't doping, or were doping much less than him to stay clean and pass the tests.

So in conclusion, you are clueless. And Armstrong remains a cheat. And a bully.

Ternowski wrote:

rubbish. Read the Tyler Hamilton book. Without EPO, neither Mr. Armstrong nor Mr. Hamilton would have been close to the front. mid-pack at best.

I haven't read the book, but I have a hard time believing that Lance wouldn't be among the best in any apples-to-apples comparison. Everyone clean or everyone on PEDs, Lance would still would have kicked arse.