Women's 10,000m at the Trials: Just Finish and You May Go to the Olympics

agip wrote:

I would bet a dollar on Rothstein

I could see her running 12 secs per mile faster.

Her 2:29 marathon translates to 31:52 per mcmillan.

I'll take that bet because I disagree with you and McMillan.

32:40.67 is her track PR from Peyton Jordan back in April,

a long ways from 31:45 and her 2:29:35 Marathon PR (Houston 2011) is actually closer to 32:03, but after a DNF at Houston 2012 I don't see anything special happening for her Friday night at 7:20pm.

Her 10,000 meter track PR is 5:15 per mile pace and someone else already pointed out she would have to run 5:06 per mile to get the Oly qualifier. You are predicting she is going to go 12 seconds a mile faster? 3 seconds per lap? Even just 9 seconds per mile faster is a tall order.

Even if she has been doing thousand meter hill repeats on Mount Elden, it ain't gonna happen.

Can someone explain to me the A vs B? Put Flanagan aside, pretend she isn't in the race, since she is giving up her spot anyways. Let's say the first two places go to two of the ladies with the A standard. 3rd place goes to someone without the A standard but who runs the B in the process. They won't take those 3? Two A's and a B? Instead they would dip down to the 3rd lady with an A standard, no matter where she finished?

I thought one B is allowed per event?

older and wiser wrote:

agip wrote:

I would bet a dollar on Rothstein

I could see her running 12 secs per mile faster.

Her 2:29 marathon translates to 31:52 per mcmillan.

I'll take that bet because I disagree with you and McMillan.

32:40.67 is her track PR from Peyton Jordan back in April,

a long ways from 31:45 and her 2:29:35 Marathon PR (Houston 2011) is actually closer to 32:03, but after a DNF at Houston 2012 I don't see anything special happening for her Friday night at 7:20pm.

Her 10,000 meter track PR is 5:15 per mile pace and someone else already pointed out she would have to run 5:06 per mile to get the Oly qualifier. You are predicting she is going to go 12 seconds a mile faster? 3 seconds per lap? Even just 9 seconds per mile faster is a tall order.

Even if she has been doing thousand meter hill repeats on Mount Elden, it ain't gonna happen.

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Forget her PRs - 10000 prs are often not meaningful because the race is run so rarely.

Point is, she ran 5:19 pace a month ago on a halfway hilly road course on a very humid, fairly hot day, in the middle of a training block. And she was only 13 seconds behind Dado, who won the flippin NYC Marathon. 30 seconds ahead of Desi. I'm saying running 5:06 pace on a track on a cool day is not out of reason for her, based on that race and her marathon PR.

But, alas, I would only bet a dollar.

For the WC the two As and a B would work but the rules are different for the Olympics. All the third A has to do is finish the race, even in last place, and as log as no others achieved the A in the race, the three As go. My question the last two weeks is why did Kim Conley choose the 5K over the 10K. All she has to do here is run 15 seconds faster than her PR and beat one person w/the A. She did a he'll of a job pacing 4 miles of the Portland Track Fest 10k and then won the 1500m. In the 5k there are 11 As and two rounds of running. Uhl has not had a great spring, Bawcom races a lot, Hastings really looks like the only lock. I really think Conley could have beaten Uhl, she just hasn't had a great performance since 2010.

Not cheering for Janet Cherrybomb Bawcom new citizen Kenyan.

Hope Flanagan leaves her in the dust.[/quote]

so whats your beef with her being American citizen? She's been living here in the US nearly half her life . [quote]USA born and bred wrote:

And besides going from 32:40 to 31:45, Rothstein is way too big of a head case for that to happen. She'll run her PRs at low key races but when Championship season rolls around, watch that three pounds above her shoulders get in the way. Out of every 10 workouts, how many do you really think she finishes without mentally folding?

Men's 10,000m at the Trials:

Just Finish and You May Go to the Olympics!

bleu wrote:

So isn't anything less than going for a pr a "tempo" training run? If it's time to go for a different event than why bother?

If she wins, regardless of time, I imagine some $$ bonus written into her Nike contract kicks in. It's probably not a ton of money, but it must be enough to make it worth her while. Seems like a reasonable scenario to me. Sure, there's risk involved, but there's also risk involved in going for a period of time without competing. Some folks like to keep those competitive fires stoked more than others.

i am not a sexist pig wrote:

Men's 10,000m at the Trials:

Just Finish and You May Go to the Olympics!

???

I am confused here. There are 8 entered men with the Olympic A and a handful within 10 seconds. Great field.

Also, I think wejo's statement is not insulting, as it is the truth. If the 3 women with the A finish and no other runner gets under 31:45.00 those three make the team (no matter their finishing place).

I do, however, believe that one or more of the other women could run under the time standard. Between Williams, Maier, McKaig, Nelson, and McGregor at least one will be close.

douglas burke wrote:

alisha williamshas the B standard, if she finishes in the top 3. wouldnt the USA send her (B) and 2 A's?

this stuff confuses me.

This has been posted by someone every single day for the last two weeks. You spend enough time on this messageboard that you should have seen it or understand it by now.

This is how Ritz made the 2004 team.

Finished dead last in 31 something but only two other A's finished so he got to go to the Olympics.

wejo wrote:

4 women running have the "A" standard and one of them is Shalane Flanagan who has said she won't run the 10k at the Olympics.

Amy Hastings MUST beat one of the other 3 athletes to go. Nike will put Shalane on the roster just to screw Brooks. Shalane will have little to no say in the matter.

wejo wrote:

So all Amy Hastings,Janet Cherobon-Bawcom, and Lisa Uhl need to do is finish and have the race not go under 31:45 and they're going to London.

I don't think that is correct - could someone who wins the trials not get the A standard between the trials and the Olympics, e.g. in Paris?

Whether that is likely or not is a different question.

Querfeldein wrote:

wejo wrote:

So all Amy Hastings,Janet Cherobon-Bawcom, and Lisa Uhl need to do is finish and have the race not go under 31:45 and they're going to London.

I don't think that is correct - could someone who wins the trials not get the A standard between the trials and the Olympics, e.g. in Paris?

Whether that is likely or not is a different question.

No, there is no chasing the standards. The qualifying window for USA athletes to run an A standard in the 10000 ends tonight.

This is ridiculous.

There should not be more than twice as many men with the A as women.

All this does is point out that the men's standard is too weak, and the field needs to be cut back.

Only 4 men should qualify, the same as for the women.

Well, this is what they said in 2008 and Amy Yoder-Begley surprised everyone!

There you go...

24 women set to start

4 London Time Qualifiers

Is it time for Katie to get a qualifier?

The weather will tell...

Other "dark" horses...

Alissa and Adriana to run 31:45

4 to 5 may drop out after halfway

Shalane Flanagan Nike / Oregon TC Elite 30:59.97 qualified declared

Amy Hastings Brooks 31:19.87 qualified declared

Janet Cherobon-Bawcom Nike 31:33.50 qualified declared

Lisa Uhl Nike / Oregon TC Elite 31:35.50 qualified declared

Alisha Williams Boulder Running Company/adidas 32:03.07 qualified declared

Deborah Maier 32:12.47 qualified declared

Meaghan Nelson Iowa State University 32:14.27 qualified declared

Alissa McKaig ZAP Fitness Reebok 32:14.51 qualified declared

Allison Kieffer 32:25.69 qualified declared

Tara Erdmann 32:31.15 qualified declared

Katie DiCamillo New Balance Boston 32:31.97 qualified declared

Alvina Begay Nike 32:34.76 qualified declared

Rebecca Donaghue New Balance / New Balance Boston 32:36.05 qualified declared

Sarah Porter ZAP Fitness Reebok 32:37.22 qualified declared

Addie Bracy 32:37.66 qualified declared

Katie McGregor Reebok 32:37.83 qualified declared

Kellyn Johnson adidas / McMillan Elite 32:39.04 qualified declared

Liz Costello 32:40.55 qualified declared

Stephanie Rothstein adidas / McMillan Elite 32:40.67 qualified declared

Natosha Rogers Texas A&M University 32:41.63 qualified declared

Adriana Nelson 32:43.48 qualified declared

Katie Matthews Boston University 32:44.58 qualified declared

Rachel Ward Ragged Mountain Racing 32:47.97 accepted declared

Wendy Thomas Boulder Running Company/adidas 32:48.45 accepted declared

How many 21 year old women are in the race?

Deborah Maier has the 6th fastest qualifier in the race

and you have never heard of her!

http://www.calbears.com/sports/c-xc/mtt/maier_deborah00.html

She turns 22 in August.

58 degrees weather and rain for the men's 10,000

56 degrees and cloudy for the women's 10,000

80% humidity

5 mph winds from the west

can anyone run a PR in those conditions on a wet track?