I knew Keino ran 3:53 in '66, check this out
I was not aware of him running 3:53 in '67, let alone at altitude. Certainly Jim Ryun was the better miler in 1967. He smoked Kip twice that summer. He blew Kip off the track in his WR 1500, and also slammed him pretty good in London over a mile over the last 200.
Unless I'm mistaken, Ryun also beat Keino handily over 2 miles in 1966.
Kip certainly got the last laugh and the biggest prize in Mexico city, can't argue that.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Consider This wrote:That 3:34 was his PR, so he didn't run faster before either. So you're telling me he never ran within 10 seconds of what his "converted PR" was?he ran a solo 3'53.1 mile on a likely poor dirt track in kisimu ( altitude ) in '67
that made him 2nd fastest miler ever at the time in year before mexico
he also held the 3k wr from '65 - '72 with 7'39 when he took a massive 6s off previous wr
also was 5k wr holder in '65
I never said he wasn't a good runner, just that he was not a 3:24 guy. 3:53.1 is worth 3:35 high for 1500.
michael furey wrote:
Most impressive 1500m - Hicham el Guerrouj, 1999 WC was probably the fittest anyone has ever been at the 1500m/mile distance - a 3:27, with heats, blowing kisses to the crowd the last 50m. Wow. The most impressive 5000m is a little tougher; maybe Kipchoge 2003 WC, or Shaheen when he beat El G in his debut. Or, alternatively, Bekele 2008 Oly's - 4:55 (?) last 2000m? Whatever it was, he obliterated the world over the last 5 laps, won by something like 4 seconds. Also Lagat's 12:59 closing in 51 was quite impressive.
He wasn't doing it on wheaties, that's for sure
michael furey wrote:
Most impressive 1500m - Hicham el Guerrouj, 1999 WC was probably the fittest anyone has ever been at the 1500m/mile distance - a 3:27, with heats, blowing kisses to the crowd the last 50m. Wow. The most impressive 5000m is a little tougher; maybe Kipchoge 2003 WC, or Shaheen when he beat El G in his debut. Or, alternatively, Bekele 2008 Oly's - 4:55 (?) last 2000m? Whatever it was, he obliterated the world over the last 5 laps, won by something like 4 seconds. Also Lagat's 12:59 closing in 51 was quite impressive.
Bekeles 2008 Olympic 5k was and is the greatest 5,000m ever run. the fact that he ran sub 4 and continued to 4:55 for 2,000m solo in a championship race is uncomparable. That was f***** insane..he completely broke the field and never looked back..that was when I knew he was the greatest 5,000m runner of all times. Lagats run was impressive with that finish, but Bekele could have matched that easily in his prime as 12:59 was pretty slow for him (21 seconds off his PR). However there isnt anyone who could have matched Bekeles 2008 Olympic 5k finish.
Fastest Championship 5000m races:
**2008 Olympics**
I watched this live in the bird cage - Kenny B started dropping 60 second laps 5 laps out then the field crumbled around him. Then a 54sec last lap. AWESOME!
Kenenisa Bekele - Ethiopia (ETH) - 12:57.82 (OR)
Eliud Kipchoge - Kenya (KEN) - 13:02.80
Edwin Cheruiyot Soi - Kenya (KEN) - 13:06.22
**2006 Commonwealth Games**
Watching this race on TV from NZ, you could feel the buzz from the Auzzie crowd cheering on Mottram. He had a crack but couldn't got with Choge who smashed him in the last 200m - a few snippets:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXoEF41oSRI&t=6m0s
- Hopefully he can get some form / peak right for London.
Augustine Choge - Kenya (KEN) - 12:56.41 min GR
Craig Mottram - Australia (AUS) - 12:58.19 min
Benjamin Limo - Kenya (KEN) - 13:05.30 min
**2003 World Champs**
Wicked fast times
Eliud Kipchoge - Kenya - 12:52.79 CR
Hicham El Guerrouj - Morocco - 12:52.83
Kenenisa Bekele - Ethiopia - 12:53.12
Best Championship 10000m races:
Geb vs Tergat hands down!
1999 World Champs
Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) 27:57.27
Paul Tergat (KEN) 27:58.56
Assefa Mezgebu (ETH) 27:59.15
2000 Olympics
Haile Gebrselassie - Ethiopia (ETH) - 27:18.20
Paul Tergat - Kenya (KEN) - 27:18.29
Assefa Mezgebu - Ethiopia (ETH) - 27:19.75
Bekele's last 5 laps of Olympics 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3csSVopAb0
Always a Kenyan wrote:
Nice run by the KENYAN, Lagat. Whatever happened to that dude?
He immigrated to the USA, like your relatives.
Good races nbrowne1.
My fave 5k was the 2003 WC's you mentioned. Best 10k too as far as I'm concerned. Bekele v. Geb, closing in 12:57 v. 12:58.
Consider This wrote:I never said he wasn't a good runner, just that he was not a 3:24 guy. 3:53.1 is worth 3:35 high for 1500.
i said "well below 3'30" not anything like 3'24
maybe 3'27/3'28 in his mexico form
& learn to read : 3'53.1, solo on a primitive dirt track
4s at 1s/lap quicker for a synthetic & 3s for 1s/lap drafting thru a pacer to bell & that's giving a 3'46.1 mile
factor in uneveness & altitude & even in late '67 he was good for 3'28 & likely better in mexico
ryun probably was a 3'24/3'25 guy in '67 ( & possibly 1'40.7/1'40.8 ) & that indicates why he smashed keino every time prior to '68
however, mono killed him in '68 & i reckon he had drifted out to 3'30 by then whereas keino in 3'27 shape
~ exactly the gap between them in mexico
these 2 guys were best 1500 runners by far we'd ever seen upto then ( & ryun still GOAT )
Geb running 12:39 in 1998, WR at time and 2nd fastest ever time
watch the Geb race if you can......on his own from 6 1/2 mins out.............last 1600 in 3:59, off an already blazing pace!!
michael furey wrote:
Most impressive 1500m - Hicham el Guerrouj, 1999 WC was probably the fittest anyone has ever been at the 1500m/mile distance - a 3:27, with heats, blowing kisses to the crowd the last 50m. Wow.
Here's the 1999 Word Championship 1500m:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6jrqsbD3Pc3:27.65 for the win.
This race had 4 1500m Olympic Champions.
The prior two, Cacho and Morceli and the next two, Ngeny and El Guerrouj.
Daniel Komen '97 5k World Championships wasn't bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAtnSSEXaM
He makes the rest of the field look like a bunch of high schoolers
Subject fixed ^^^
Azaleas wrote:
Daniel Komen '97 5k World Championships wasn't bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAtnSSEXaMHe makes the rest of the field look like a bunch of high schoolers
For me, this 5000m beats all others mentioned in this thread. Sure, Geb, Bekele, Farah could close a 5k in sub 4, but Komen ran a sub 4 in the middle of the (championship) race.
Not a WC or Olympic final, but this is definitely one of my all time favorite 5ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zWiJdiFpE
"He's won two expensive Mercedes motorcars for his gold medal performances at the world championships. He can't drive, they're both sitting in the garage back home... but my word can he run".
GebGebGeb wrote:
Not a WC or Olympic final, but this is definitely one of my all time favorite 5ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8zWiJdiFpE"He's won two expensive Mercedes motorcars for his gold medal performances at the world championships. He can't drive, they're both sitting in the garage back home... but my word can he run".
11 second world record... certainly something we might never see again in any event
LEg500 wrote:
11 second world record... certainly something we might never see again in any event
There is absolutely no disputing your point.
dzag wrote:
Rui MF Silva. My favourite athlete of all time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rui_SilvaOlympic, World and European medals, indoor & outdoor.
1:44 for 800m and 1:02:40 for half marathon. What an absolute beast of a man. So underrated.
A 1:44 800 projects to a 1:01:34 half marathon by McMillan's calculator.
1:44 to 1:01:34 is fading badly.
Ask Ventolin.
nightline wrote:
Good races nbrowne1.
My fave 5k was the 2003 WC's you mentioned. Best 10k too as far as I'm concerned. Bekele v. Geb, closing in 12:57 v. 12:58.
Actually watched that race. Didn't realise until now how fast it was! Ridiculous! Last 600m:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9PZUkhxfTs