Attention public employees; what's the most money you can steal from taxpayers without feeling guilty?

starting salary in my district is 28500, not including the required 3000 for healthcare and 6.5% retirement. So yeah, we get paid for those.

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Class Advisor: $500/yr. And I got to plan two dances, chaperone them for free, have meetings in my room, hold pep rallys, etc etc etc. I probably worked for about $1 an hour. Easy money!!! (oh, and when another advisor went on leave, I doubled my workload)

Principal's Advisory Group: $300/yr. Two 2-3 hr meetings per month, plus outside of school work presenting school improvement plans and initiatives to staff on a monthly basis! Totally ripped off the taxpayers there. MWahahaha!

Track Coach: $3000. 18 meets, practices (including saturdays and a few sundays). Untold time preppeing sub plans for early release meets, emailing parents, scheduling meetings, banquets, etc etc etc. Totally fleeced the property owners in my district on that one!!!

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My heart bleeds for you. BOOM!

I'm not the guy who made a thread complaining about public employees. if YOU don't like it, go into public service.

And no, they weren't choices. They are conditions of employment, but we are compensated. Go and pretend you know about something else.

Aw, quit picking on those poor teachers. Look at the heroic work they do, comrade! Where else but Amerika could people get paid to take a system that was the envy of the world 50 years ago & make it the laughing stock of the universe, all the while having trillions of taxpayer $$ 'invested' year in & year out!

Quick, some union government skool math teacher calculate the pension the average PS teacher will receive from retirement til death. Now compare to the average pension the average greedy private sector schmuck will receive. What? Private sector employees don't get pensions at 80-100% of their salaries, inflation adjusted every year, for life? Damn, when did that happen?

Maybe we should start sending federal gov't employees on taxpayer paid junkets to Hawaii & Vegas where they can party on our dime & run up obscene tabs. What? We already do that? Well.....any gov't employee that has to work 30 hours a week & only gets 30 days paid vacation + heavily subsidized health care + matching retirement plan contributions + pension + can't ever get fired + can retire at 50, etc., etc. should get some well earned time off!

Anyone ever watched a DOT crew 'at work' while you're stopped at a red light or construction zone on the highway? Ever seen a bigger bunch of lazy, sorry, good for nothings? I make my kids look away - I'm afraid they'll think 'work' means standing around scratching your ass with 5 other clowns watching 2 guys halfway do a job one could do..

And before you start, I'm not interested in being a gov't employee no matter how much it pays & how little you have to work. I couldn't stand to be in the same bldg with these friggin' clowns & share the air with them. Better to be self-employed & not have to surround myself with dbag Chooma Hussein Obama supporters. :)

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did you copy and paste this from somebody's blog?

OK! wrote:

I'm not the guy who made a thread complaining about public employees. if YOU don't like it, go into public service.

And no, they weren't choices. They are conditions of employment, but we are compensated. Go and pretend you know about something else.

the fact that there is not a chance being the track coach is a condition of employment aside, if they are in fact conditions of employment you should be very glad to be paid extra for them.

Work you do as a condition of employment doesn't generally warrant extra compensation in the real salaried world.

btw, i am in the public sector, and think that teacher tenure and seniority should be eliminated as an avenue to paying successful teachers better salaries.

Do you really make your kids look away when you drive by DOT crews? That seems a little extreme to me.

Um...no. We private sector greedy b#stards are capable of formulating & expressing our own opinions all by ourselves!

Are you posting on LRC whilst sitting in your gov't provided office cubicle while you wait for your next smoke break?

Smoke 'em if you got 'em!

No, 'extreme' is watching idly with glazed eyes & slack mouth while our once great nation morphs into a corrupt banana republic led by career politicians that aren't really any different than Castro, Chavez, or some tin pot African slimeball dictator, except our bums have much better PR..

If you drove by a DOT crew and they were all working, would you let your kids look? I don't mean watch, but just a quick look.

MAURICE wrote:

No, 'extreme' is watching idly with glazed eyes & slack mouth while our once great nation morphs into a corrupt banana republic led by career politicians that aren't really any different than Castro, Chavez, or some tin pot African slimeball dictator, except our bums have much better PR..

Hmmm.....that's a thought provoking question, thanks. It would obviously depend on whether the crew was working on an exit ramp or an overpass.

I can tell you will be one of my first readers of my new blog.

OK, I know this thread is troll bait (you gotta admit some of these threads are entertaining), but on this one I’ll bite.

I am a network engineer who worked as a contractor for various private IT companies. Because my companies kept going bankrupt I took a job as a public employee for stability and I took a 7K pay cut for that. Now I build computers for people who are blind, mostly from spare parts from computers that are donated. This costs the state (taxpayer dollars) nothing and I’m essentially donating about $500 or so bucks per person to people who use these computers (which have speech) to get jobs, get off disability, and begin paying into the system (taxes). I do about 6 per month in addition to quite a few other things such as building systems for older people who are blind that cannot afford them or go to work. I also buy systems for visually impaired people (when donations lag) and because I know computers I don't let my vendors overcharge me. I aggressively play one off the other and let them know about it. I (the big bad government) pay about $560 bucks for a laptop and because I am HP certified I do the warranty work for free.

I love what I do and only feel guilty if I can't knock down a good track workout on Saturdays (this is a running site after all).

Guy O'Leighken wrote:

Maybe we should start sending federal gov't employees on taxpayer paid junkets to Hawaii & Vegas where they can party on our dime & run up obscene tabs. What? We already do that? Well.....any gov't employee that has to work 30 hours a week & only gets 30 days paid vacation + heavily subsidized health care + matching retirement plan contributions + pension + can't ever get fired + can retire at 50, etc., etc. should get some well earned time off!

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Well lets do this point by point.

Never been anywhere on a tax payers dime. I was forced to go to extended training on my on dime. I was also forced (yes forced would have lost my job) to get a Masters degree in my field. No not an education masters degree but a degree in my specialty Science or lose my job. I had to pay for all of this or lose my job. Now I did get a massive 4% raise after getting my masters. It will pay for itself in 10 years.

30 hours a week. I wish. I'm required to be at work at 7:30 A.M. till 3:30 P.M. That's 40 hours a week. It was also made a part of my contract that I had to coach it went hand and hand with them hiring me for my position. Roughly an extra 15 hours a week for the whole year (three sports). They pay me a huge sum of 2500 extra for the whole year. I'm rolling in the stolen money.

I'll give you the holidays. I probably get more paid holidays than the average worker. But since I coach I also have meets and practices during most of those holidays. But as a whole most teachers probably do get more paid holidays than the average worker.

heavily subsidized health care: HAHAHAHAHAHAAH I pay almost 130 dollars a month for my health care. In my state teachers spend more money for their health care than the average private sector worker with similar degrees. I really think a lot of people look at past decades and think teachers and other public sector employees are still getting crazy benefits. Over the last decade most of the crazy benefits EXCEPT in a few very strong union states, have been taken away.

matching retirement plan contributions + pension: WHAT???? Are you implying that teachers get a pension AND matching 401k plan....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH You also said earlier that public sector employees get 80-100% pension. WHERE???? Maybe in like 4 states. I get 54% pension for my last four years average. NO 401k match. I pay 6.5% into my pension the state pays 4.2%. I'm not complaining but its not as nice as you are implying. But hey just keep sprouting the lies.

can't ever get fired: Can't help but laugh here on this one. My state has gotten rid of tenure teachers are put on two years contracts and can be fired for any reason.

can retire at 50: NOPE 35 YEARS OR 65 so very similar to the private sector.

There are about 5 states who have the benefits you describe. The rest are not as good as you think.

I'm not complaining. I love my job. I'm just defending the outrageous claims you are trying to make to lump every state in the same super benefits boat.

Since when is it the government's job to pay people to work on computers to give away to other people? Please explain why the private sector, church, charity, etc. can't accomplish this more efficiently & effectively.

I like point by point.

So....teachers guilty of all sorts of wrongdoing + just being a really lousy teacher are impossible to fire, but you were going to be fire for not getting a Masters? Either there's more to the story or you're full of sh&t - or both..

Aw, you have to work til 3:30? Really? Man, that's terrible. 3:30 is just so....late in the mid-afternoon for quitting time. I'm real sorry about that. Quick, name a private sector jobn where it's customary to go home at 3:30? Hell, even the banks are open til at least 4..

And you get absolutely zero sympathy for the $2500 to coach. That's exactly $2500 more than I get to coach & I'm usually at it 7 days a week. Cry me a friggin' river..

yes, you'll give me the holidays & the 2 months off in the summer. Thankyouverymuch..

Wow, $130 a month for health care? You don't even know how retarded you sound, huh? Do you know what a private health insurance policy cost - thanks to miles of gov't regulation & intervention? A helluva lot more than $130, clown.

I'm sorry, who did you say pays 4.2% into your retirement? Who? The 'state'? So...I'm paying into your retirement while I can't afford to pay into my own? And how many years is your pension good for? Decades, right? All you have to do is not die & that free money just keeps rolling in, even if it's been 50 years since you retired, right? Poor baby.

teachers in your state can only be fire if they lack seniority, right? So once you've been mooching off the taxpayer dime for a decade or so, you're home free..

so you can retire after 35 years or at 65, 'very similar to private sector'. I can retire anytime I like, but I can go down to the mailbox & wait for 50 years & there won't be any taxpayer funded pension check being delivered.

And you'reposting all this while in the middle of your annual 2 month paid vacation?? Holy cow, that takes chutzpah, huh?

Had to go back to your health insurance point. You do realize the actual cost of your health care greatly exceeds 'almost $130/mo.'? Who do you think is picking up the tab for what you don't have to pay every month?

The idea PS teachers pay more for health care than private sector employees do is the kind of BS drivel being fed to kids every day at school, which is why gov't skools keep turning out such scholars... Reads like a talking point from a Chooma or Moochelle Obama PR piece..

Even if Joe Blow at IBM pays less than $130/mo., the difference between what he pays & what ot costs is paid by IBM, not forced on taxpayers. If the resultant cost passed on in the price of IBM products is more than you want to pay, you can buy an Apple or some crap made in Red China. You don't have to subsidize Joe Blow's benefits if you don't wanna. Please advise how I can get out of paying for your crap. I have 2 kids - teenagers - who've never attended PS, yet I pay more in property taxes (school tax) than you do. Why is that? When legislation is brought forward to give me some sort of break, given that I'm paying for you & paying for PS kids to be 'educated' + paying for my kid's education, public education defenders hit the friggin' roof! Like I'm taking 'their' money. WTF?!

Best part is guess what happens when my home schooled daughter wants to run in a local XC invitational heald at a 'public' park??

Maurice, you're genuinely furious at everyone: teachers, politicitians, the Obamas, China... But that anger doesn't make your arguments more right. Teachers don't get two months paid vacation, they get paid less than their education warrants for the ten months they work. If you had the option of working only ten months for a prorated salary would you take it? Some would, but most wouldn't.

You have to pay taxes for public schools because we all use public schools: they educate most of the people that run our economy and provide our services.

Throughout all your posts you imply that public teachers don't work hard, but don't you know any teachers? Didn't you ever go to a public school? I had a couple of the lazy teachers you're talking about, but the vast majority took a lot of pride in their work, even though they work in a field where fair objective measures of performance are hard to come up with. My friends who are teachers put a ton of effort into their work.

If you don't like the benefits public employees get, you do have an option: you can vote for people who agree with you. The people who negotiate public contracts are elected.

Let go of the hate, man!

I'll do another point by point since you obviously have done 0 research into what you are complaining about.

Some states require a masters after a certain number of years of teaching or you will be asked to move on. But I guess you didn't know that. Once again EVERY state is different.

Way to pick and choose time comparisons. Most private sector jobs don't start till 9:00 AM. Going along your lines I'd love to sleep in and start a leisurely day at 9. Most teachers have to start at 7:30 or 8:00 A.M.. They are still working the same 8 hour time slot that private sector workers work. They just start earlier and end earlier. If you can't do that kind of math you really are not bright.

It sounds like the coaching you do is voluntary. What don't you get. In order for me to get and keep my job I have to coach. You can stop coaching at any time you want. I can to I guess if I wanted to find another job. I am required to coach and that pay me roughly at 1.25 an hour. I like coaching but once again just defending your ignorant statements.

Yes we agree the holidays off are good. Come join us if public sector jobs are so great.

Just to check your health insurance facts. I looked up my states plan for someone trying to buy their own insurance through a private company. Guess what it was 107 dollars a month. hmmmmmm facts suck clown.

I didn't say that my pension wasn't a good thing. I just called you out on your own lie saying that public sector employees get 80-100%. Never said I didn't prefer a pension over other forms of retirement. You were just lying about how good most public sector pensions really are. You are lying and I proved that clown.

What don't you understand. My state has gotten rid of tenure. It does not matter how long you have been teaching. EVERY teacher is on a two year renewable contract and can be fired for any reason at any time. Most states are slowly going to this system. I don't necessarily mind it right now but as I get older I can see how the system will be abused. Once again you know very little about what you are talking about. You are just looking at the top five union states in the US. Look down south and see what is happening. EVERY state is different.

Once again the 35 years or 65 was to call you out on a lie. You imply that teachers and other public sector employees can retire at 50 if they want. Maybe 20 years ago. Things have changed. Catch up do a little research instead of just watching faux news who just highlights the most extreme cases of abuse in the system.

And as to your last statement. You have to be a troll. You really do. To still imply that teachers get a 2 month paid vacation. You are a troll or a very angry bitter person who had a teacher fail them along the way somewhere because an educated person cannot have the no researched views that you have. Teachers DO NOT get paid in the summer for two months.

I feel sorry for you.

Hi Guy!

I'm not genuinely furious at teachers, just pointing out they're well compensated in return for - in general - teaching in the most underachieving school system in the history of mankind.

And I'm more pissed at the 61 million morons who voted for Chooma than I am Obama. There have always been Obamas..

Are you really trying to say teachers aren't compensated while on summer break? What? Their health care benefits end in June & don't pick up til August? Are you really trying to say that just because they have a choice in whether they're paid over 10 mos. or 12, that their summer break is a forced, unpaid leave? Really?

My wife is a former PS teacher, as is my Mom, as is my wife's sister. I attended PS k-12. Where have I said PS teachers don't work hard? I poked fun at the idea that leaving at 3:30, having tons of paid holidays & 2 mos. off in the summer is a bit much, because it is. You think standing around with a whistle & a stopwatch at the track is 'work'?

I'm glad you brought up voting. We now live in a nation where you can simply vote yourself more benes & systemically loot the treasury, yes? How do you think that'll turn out in the end? I'm sure all the little PS 'social studies' students are brainwashed to think about it much differently than I though, so it's all good, comrade!