Who is 'oldsub4' from the sub 150 800m thread?

SummerNow wrote:

Would it be too much to ask if you could email and help out a new coach?

Happy to help out a new coach, but i need to warn you that my knowledge base really only works well for elites or those at least at the college level -- HS and youth track is really more getting a feel where a kid is physically and their experience, and erring toward being more developmental. Let me know if this is still worth emailing you and ill do so off-board

It is high school, but you had a pretty successful experience and there's always something to learn.

OldSub44real What were your Highschool Pr's and what was your mileage like in highschool?

Forgot to switch names, but yes I would still love to speak with you.

how long was your summer base phase before you started to incorporate intervals and tempos

Oldsub4 - when you broke your navicular bone did it affect your running once recovered? Did your running form suffer at all? If so, did you do anything in particular to improve it?

lkjh wrote:

OldSub44real What were your Highschool Pr's and what was your mileage like in highschool?

Hs prs were 50.1 400m, 1:51.73 800m, 4:11.6 1600m, and I never broke 10 minutes for 3200! I ran probably 30 miles per week in season...summer before sr yr xc I tried to run a few 50 mile weeks. Played basketball in hs so no running at all from November until early march....but ball was a fat conditioner and sets all my prs as a sr.

goal 1:49 wrote:

how long was your summer base phase before you started to incorporate intervals and tempos

For an elite or college guy, however long it takes to patiently build up to 80 mile weeks. Super bad idea to increase volume and intensity in the same week.....like 70 percent chance of injury

navicular break wrote:

Oldsub4 - when you broke your navicular bone did it affect your running once recovered? Did your running form suffer at all? If so, did you do anything in particular to improve it?

I wish I had a nicer answer, but I was never the same. It took a full two years to really get back to where I was, and I was never really ever able to handle the training load on that foot again. I broke it April 1990 and was in a cast for 16 weeks. Luckily by may 1991 I popped a race in the 800m and pr'd by a ten or two but enough encouragement to keep on. Tibia stress fracture nov 91-jan 92 took some steam out of my training yr, but got back to 45-50 miles per week...fibula stress fx following year Same leg....anchilles injury same leg next yr when I finally said no mas.

Do you think someone without loads of talent can low 1:50s in high school without running year-round? Do you think you could have been better if you didn't play basketball and focused on training?

The 800-300-800 workout...would you say the average of the two 800's predicts your 1500 race pace or more so the last one?

SummerNow wrote:

Do you think someone without loads of talent can low 1:50s in high school without running year-round? Do you think you could have been better if you didn't play basketball and focused on training?

I think with a lot of natural talent you can fake an 800m in high school, and even a mile. But not the distance races. I would have run better in high school if I had trained properly and been coached, but not that much better...maybe 1:49 and 4:06 ish.

Oel apel wrote:

The 800-300-800 workout...would you say the average of the two 800's predicts your 1500 race pace or more so the last one?

Nope...this is an easier workout so you can go faster. The killer is 3x800m with 800m jog (like 3:30-4:00 rest) where you go goal pace plus 4 seconds, goal pace, then goal pace minus four seconds.....best predictor I have seen on what you can run. If you can't do the third one it's not your pace.

What was progression like from freshman year through junior year?

P.S. I would still appreciate an email if you're up for it.

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Oldsub4,

Do you still feel that you were in the sharpening phase for too long? In your opinion what is the ideal length? Also, would you still cut out the tempo run with 6 weeks to go for both 800 and 1500 runners?

Oldsub4real. Email me and I can restore your login.

sub4, in the original thread you mentioned your children were starting to run and you mentioned coaching them, how has that gone so far? Also did you use the same training you did with less volume or change it up completely?

Earlier in the thread you mentioned that the most important things are to maximize LT and AT Thresholds. What exactly is the difference between the two? Would you mind lending an example of a workout for each?

Thanks!