1500m women's world record video (first lap 53 seconds)

Despite not normally being a fan I would love to see Ventolin's results from evening out some of those races...the 10k for instance.

Flake wrote:

Here are the mens results for the 93 games for those interested:

http://www.betterhealthchoices.com/cordyceps8.html

100: 10.24 (+2.0) =NR

200: 20.92

400: 45.85 NR

800: 1:49.27

1500: 3:48.68 (less thasn 2 secs behinf the women...)

5000: 13:32.46

10000: 28:40.81

100H 13:59

400H 49:29

The track wasn't short, and the starting positions in the vid looks corrct to me. Fault timing? Unlikely considering it was operated by Omega.

Those times are actually pretty fast for Chinese men, as the two national records indicate. Here are the results from the East Asian Games, held in Shanghai a couple of months later and including athletes from China, Korea, and Japan:

100 metres Jin Sun-Kuk (KOR) 10.23 Lin Wei (CHN) 10.24 Chen Wenzhong (CHN) 10.25

200 metres

Wind: 3.0 m/s Zhao Cunlin (CHN) 20.99 w Koji Ono (JPN) 21.19 w Koji Ito (JPN) 21.19 w

400 metres Yu Baoyi (CHN) 46.77 Xie Hong (CHN) 46.92 Koichi Konakatomi (JPN) 47.00

800 metres Lee Jin-Il (KOR) 1:47.13 Kim Yong-Hwan (KOR) 1:48.75 Han Bo (CHN) 1:48.80

1500 metres Kim Soon-Hyung (KOR) 3:56.17 Lin Jun (CHN) 3:56.18 Kim Bong-Yoo (KOR) 3:57.46

5000 metres Yosuke Osawa (JPN) 13:47.61 Jun Hiratsuka (JPN) 13:51.67 Jiu Shangxuan (CHN) 13:54.09

10,000 metres Nozomi Saho (JPN) 29:03.55 Tadashi Fukushima (JPN) 29:05.09 Ryu Ok-Hyon (PRK) 29:41.44

110 metre hurdles

Wind: 2.4 m/s Zheng Jinsuo (CHN) 13.77 w Nobuaki Hoki (JPN) 13.88 w Kimihiro Kaneko (JPN) 14.21 w

400 metre hurdles Shunji Karube (JPN) 49.93 Gao Yonghong (CHN) 50.84 Du Yuechun (CHN) 51.03

3000 metre steeplechase Akira Nakamura (JPN) 8:51.72 Sun Ripeng (CHN) 8:52.66 Niu Xinxiang (CHN) 9:04.54

to get good results evening out 10k, you do really need all 25 laps ( evening out 10 individual 1ks doesn't always knock off much )

i doubt anyone has splits for all 25 laps, so if someone posts the individual 10 1ks, i can do a rough estimate ( they are likely on iaaf berlin/daewoo handbook pdf )

read the description! wrote:Qu Yunxia: 3:50.46 WR

Pace:

400m: 57.2

800m: 2.00.7

1000m: 2.33.0

1200m: 3.05.2

Final lap: 60.3 (equivilent to a 4:07 mile)

splits of - 57.2/63.5/32.3/32.2/45.2

which at least add upto 3'50.4

evened out ->

3'49.3

( i woud add these are "physics" flattening out ( the slowest they couda run it evenly ) - it doesn't include the unquantifiable physiological shit-kicking an opening 57.2 lap woud do to their lactate )

Ventolin, what do you make of the first 300m on the video showing the leader going through in 41 seconds and then the official 400m split of 57.2? Those times don't add up.

runningfasteragain wrote:

leader going through in 41 seconds and then the official 400m split of 57.2? Those times don't add up.

41.5 + 15.7 = 57.2

The 2nd lap was 63.5 - 15.9 per 100 meters.

Maybe the pacer realized it was too fast and slowed down, or maybe most of that speed was in the first 200-300 meters.

Or maybe the track clock was not synchonized with the official timing.

But it's not that far off and makes sense anyway.

There has been many threads on this.

I ran sub 3:50 many times in my life. I never split the first 300m in less than 44 sec. Here, you have a full pack of little girls running at best 47 or 48 second/300m pace and sliptting in less than 42 - 43 seconds.

Furthermore, I was able to repeat again and again and again...

It makes no sense...

Yes, they were doped. Yes, they were very fast. Just not that fast...

I can't believe that the IAAF accepted that record...

In this 1500, the Chinese woman finished in 62, then 57 for a 1:59 last 800m

jskj wrote:

I ran sub 3:50 many times in my life.

According to the IAAF, no woman has ever run better than 3:50 for 1500m, so you're full of crap.

...and your point being?

...riiiight...

Hope that you're joking...

...and no, you probably never did hear about me because I was a crap runner (but on the men side...)

But certainly better than all these little girls that were easily spolitting 42 and 43 seconds (whereas I could not)...

The leader went through at 41 through 300m, world record pace for the men's world record! The entire pack went through at 42-43, tiny women displaying no power and for the most part poor running form. The men's videos on this thread where you see Cram, Ovett, etc. going through 300m at the same pace, on route to world record times, show men, a foot taller than most of these women, really attacking and powering through to get a 41 second 300m split. That Chinese women's 1500m race is a farce, and the IAAF need to do someting about it!

Hopskipjump wrote:

The leader went through at 41 through 300m, world record pace for the men's world record! The entire pack went through at 42-43, tiny women displaying no power and for the most part poor running form. The men's videos on this thread where you see Cram, Ovett, etc. going through 300m at the same pace, on route to world record times, show men, a foot taller than most of these women, really attacking and powering through to get a 41 second 300m split. That Chinese women's 1500m race is a farce, and the IAAF need to do someting about it!

The bottom line is that they can't.

Accuse them of using a short track?

That doesn't make sense when the Men's times are taken into account, and deteriorates even further when you realize that the All-Asia games and East-Asian games were held in the same arena

Accuse them of using drugs?

Not when none of them tested positive...

Accuse them of using faulty timing?

Yes, because THAT would be easy to prove...

Accuse them of starting on the wrong line?

Not likely considering the stadium had FOREIGN viewers during the competition who would probably have protested if that were actually true.

Personally, I think they were just drugged to the max, because using a short track under the circumstances would have been impossible, and using inaccurate clocks and having them start on the wrong line would have been exposed almost immediately.

jskj wrote:

you probably never did hear about me because I was a crap runner

That explains it then.

...and how good are you?

I've never heard of you wrote:

jskj wrote:

you probably never did hear about me because I was a crap runner

That explains it then.

the splits make sense wrote:

runningfasteragain wrote:

leader going through in 41 seconds and then the official 400m split of 57.2? Those times don't add up.

41.5 + 15.7 = 57.2

I don't know where all the posters here find that 41 seconds first 300m? Wang and Qu ran the first 300m in around 42,6-42,7 - at least that's what I can see on this bad clip of the race. Still very fast, but also a difference to 41,5.

I don't know why the IAAF don't put more effort in analycing videos of performances before accepting them as records. I also don't know what has happened in Beijing and Shanghai in '93 and '97. But the times at all "make no sense". For sure this is not a good argument for not accepting them as records. But the IAAF should put more effort in analycing the videos of these races. I'm sure they exist.

Seyta wrote:

Accuse them of starting on the wrong line?

Not likely considering the stadium had FOREIGN viewers during the competition who would probably have protested if that were actually true.

I will admit that is the biggest issue with my wrong line theory.

It is absolutely blatant cheating.

I don't know what foreign viewers were there.

This was an all Chinese event in a communist country.

Any knowledgeable outsiders would have seen this cheating and reported.

Wouldn't they?

I don't know who was there or what protocal the Chinese had for allowing foreigners to view this event.

It's a stretch to say this happened, and I am only calling it a theory, not proof.

I believe Qu could run 3:50, but not if she went out in 42, unless she had sub 3:45 ability.

And Wang's week of 29:31, 8:12, 8:06 and 3:51 just seems so outrageous since not one woman before or after that event could approach any one of those times, including herself, let alone all four in one week.

And of course 5 women breaking the 3000 record in one race - happens all the time, right?

Considering all of the drugs that athletes have done before or since, I just can't point to drugs making such a big impact.

toro wrote:

Wang's week of 29:31, 8:12, 8:06 and 3:51 just seems so outrageous since not one woman before or after that event could approach any one of those times, including herself, let alone all four in one week.

Not as outrageous as a woman running 2:15 at the London Marathon.

In my opinion...

Once the the IAAF agreed to trouser the RMB everything after that was easy. The track was short. The male times were achieved either by having the best runners paid and singing from the hymn sheet or by racing a second tier of runners who wouldn't normally hit those times. The tracks were modified for these meetings and corrected afterwards. Easy.