The MonBRO Doctrine wrote:
In my area there was a case where a kid was pretty severely bullied. His dad came to the school and beat the sh*t out of the bully. I'd say that's a good compromise between doing nothing and shooting.
That is pretty awesome. Do you have a link to the story?
bangalangadanga wrote:
if guns don't kill people, does a toaster not toast bread?
Hey retard boy, if you think the fact that guns exist are the problem, do you eat your own poop too?
What is the country going to do to eliminate the existance of gun? They have always been here and always will be here. Even if we completely stopped the manufacturing of guns, they would still be just as dense 500 years from now. if we completely stopped manufacturing of guns as of today, It would take 500 years until we even started seeing a small decrease in the ammount of guns in citizens and criminals hands.
If you are against guns, then you are only endangering the life of yourself and your family. Both sides, good and bad MUST carry them, because guess what........the bad guys are gonna have em either way. go put some salt on your poop so it takes better.
...as the band plays on wrote:
Is it aimless if it is revenge?
It's aimless if innocent people are killed, which is what happens in a lot of these cases. Besides, I would like to see an example of bullying that justified murder. I guess it could exist, but is it really all that likely?
Gun Carrier wrote:
bangalangadanga wrote:if guns don't kill people, does a toaster not toast bread?
Hey retard boy, if you think the fact that guns exist are the problem, do you eat your own poop too?
What is the country going to do to eliminate the existance of gun? They have always been here and always will be here. Even if we completely stopped the manufacturing of guns, they would still be just as dense 500 years from now. if we completely stopped manufacturing of guns as of today, It would take 500 years until we even started seeing a small decrease in the ammount of guns in citizens and criminals hands.
If you are against guns, then you are only endangering the life of yourself and your family. Both sides, good and bad MUST carry them, because guess what........the bad guys are gonna have em either way. go put some salt on your poop so it takes better.
And there you have it...Classic gun carrier mentality post with a sprinkle of "retard" and "poop" and poor grammar to class it up.
Locomotive wrote:
The MonBRO Doctrine wrote:In my area there was a case where a kid was pretty severely bullied. His dad came to the school and beat the sh*t out of the bully. I'd say that's a good compromise between doing nothing and shooting.
That is pretty awesome. Do you have a link to the story?
Sadly no. It was a while back, before the days when the internet was such a big part of life, and I'm having trouble locating up. I'll post a link if I find it.
Obviously somebody posing as pro-gun to (quite heavy handedly) reinforce the "stupid pro-gun people" stereotype.
Interesting question. Certainly I feel some level of empathy for the shooters if they are severely bullied and if they take it out on the bullies only.
Still, it seems pretty obvious that kids packing heat to school is not the answer.
I think the "real" answer is laws that allow school teachers and administrators to not be so powerless to intervene, and of course, teachers and administrators who had the sense and the guts to intervene effectively.
Pumped up kicks
RD wrote:
A Big Bully wrote:What about long-term, viscous bullying? Day in and day out? Publicly humiliating comments, physical attacks, etc.
How can bullying have the quality of a fluid that doesn't flow quickly?
Define "quickly".
Does no one else see the chronic failure in parenting that produces children capable of bullying kids so brutally?
These kids aren't born as amoral sociopaths, they are not instilled with the value of respect for others at home. Humans may have an inborn sense of compassion, but if it isn't encouraged it won't grow.
White Night wrote:
Interesting question. Certainly I feel some level of empathy for the shooters if they are severely bullied and if they take it out on the bullies only.
Still, it seems pretty obvious that kids packing heat to school is not the answer.
I think the "real" answer is laws that allow school teachers and administrators to not be so powerless to intervene, and of course, teachers and administrators who had the sense and the guts to intervene effectively.
Yeah, someone tries to do something and everyone wants to sue the school board and what not. Teachers are very influential and much more than glorified babysitters that many, many parents make them out to be.
By making "bullying" the new sacred cow of victimhood in a perverse way the bullied are now justified in their over reaction to what is typical HS behavior.
Bullying sucks, kids are cruel and HS can be a bad place for some people, but adolescence is about making it through to the other-side.
White Night wrote:
I think the "real" answer is laws that allow school teachers and administrators to not be so powerless to intervene, and of course, teachers and administrators who had the sense and the guts to intervene effectively.
Absolutely true! These days if a teacher were to stop some jerk from beating on a little kid, the parents of the jerk would sue the teacher and the school. It is sad.
Groundskeeper Willie wrote:
Does no one else see the chronic failure in parenting that produces children capable of bullying kids so brutally?
These kids aren't born as amoral sociopaths, they are not instilled with the value of respect for others at home. Humans may have an inborn sense of compassion, but if it isn't encouraged it won't grow.
Also absolutely true!
I went to a Catholic school as a kid. K - 8th Grade. It was co-ed and I had a pretty good spot on the social ladder. I was popular, started for the basketball team (only sport at the school) and always had girlfriends. Still, I felt the effects of bullying.
One of my "friends" was a larger kid who I had grown up with... He had 3 older brothers who would always beat him up. His father was a pretty successful business man, but in retrospect it is very clear that he was having an affair. He was never in town and when he was, my friend seemed to hate it. His mom ended up having an affair with a coach at the school. Bad situation.
Anyway, around 3rd or 4th grade, he started acting like an ass at times. It was like he wanted to take something out on someone, so he chose me (his best friend). I am a pretty nice guy, not really one to take abuse, but this was my friend. I started spending less time with him, and things started getting worse. He felt threatened, so he would try to cut me down in front of other kids. At the same time, he would apologize later and we would be friends again. He acted like it was all in good fun. This is a hard thing for a 3rd grader to figure out. He was good at basketball and handsome, so people generally wanted to be his friend. Also, at a small Catholic school, it wasn't like I could avoid him.
Our teachers were all nuns, so they couldn't have been worse on the emotional health side. As long as we weren't physically fighting, they left us alone. He never scared me physically; I didn't think he was going to hurt me.
This went on for the next four years. It is easy to say that I should've talked to someone or stopped being his friend, but it isn't that easy. I think my parents knew that his home life was a wreck, so they would invite him over a lot. He was always nice when he came over. It was when we were in a group setting that he would be a jerk, which is the worst place for that kind of thing to happen. I remember one time we found a Playboy in the woods when we were riding bikes. This was probably 5th grade or something. The next week in school, he told people that I took it home to "jerk off." I am being 100% serious when I tell you that I had no idea what jerking off was. I didn't know about masturbation at that point. That is how I found out what that meant. That was the kind of crap he would pull.
It wasn't until about halfway through 8th grade that I finally told him to fvck off and literally never spoke with him again. We went to different high schools and I basically avoided him. He made some stupid decisions in high school but ended up okay, I think. I heard that he has a kid and lives in another state.
I honestly think his bullying messed my confidence up on a deep level. I have been successful, but I think it is because I have a bit of a Napoleon complex thing as a result of his abuse (I am just over 6 feet tall, so I don't think it is actually related to height). I have to be the best at things, or at least better than most people. I was a college athlete, I have a beautiful family and I am what most would consider wealthy as a result of a good job.
That being said, I still dislike the guy and it still bothers me. I am in my mid thirties. I can only imagine how much someone might suffer if they were truly bullied and made to feel like a nothing. I had basically everything going for me and I still have some effects from what a lot of people probably wouldn't even consider bullying.
It is easy to call someone weak or tell them to suck it up, but when you are young it is very hurtful and confusing. This is serious emotional stuff that can latch on and kick your ass for years after it stops.
Groundskeeper Willie wrote:
Does no one else see the chronic failure in parenting that produces children capable of bullying kids so brutally?
These kids aren't born as amoral sociopaths, they are not instilled with the value of respect for others at home. Humans may have an inborn sense of compassion, but if it isn't encouraged it won't grow.
The Stache wrote:
Also absolutely true!
I beg to differ. There is a strong correlation between sociopathic behaviors and hormonal imbalances, that is there is a strong genetic component to anti-social behavior in many cases.
Kipster wrote:
We need to create Bully Support Groups and do what we can to protect them. These types of tragedies can easily be avoided by providing security for the Bullies.
Yeah, I will join a bully support group. That will let people know that I am being bullied. Nothing like drawing attention to myself to attract more bullies.
Steve Martin wrote:
Yeah, I will join a bully support group. That will let people know that I am being bullied. Nothing like drawing attention to myself to attract more bullies.
Maybe I am missing your joke, but I think he was kidding. If you read it again, you'll notice he said "security for the Bullies," not "security for the Bullied."
Barrister wrote:
Steve Martin wrote:Yeah, I will join a bully support group. That will let people know that I am being bullied. Nothing like drawing attention to myself to attract more bullies.
Maybe I am missing your joke, but I think he was kidding. If you read it again, you'll notice he said "security for the Bullies," not "security for the Bullied."
Yeah, I guess I read it wrong. I have a hard time imagining bullies needing security. They usually travel in packs.
On a side note, we have changed the term "bullying" to now include any insensitive comment. IYAM, bullying is where you seek out a certain individual in order to make their day miserable. This is not the same as someone repeating a racist joke, a homophobe comment or a fat joke. That is just poor judgment, or rude behavior. It is not necessarily bullying, but it can become that very thing.
Another Perspective wrote:
I went to a Catholic school as a kid. K - 8th Grade. It was co-ed and I had a pretty good spot on the social ladder. I was popular, started for the basketball team (only sport at the school) and always had girlfriends. Still, I felt the effects of bullying.
One of my "friends" was a larger kid who I had grown up with... He had 3 older brothers who would always beat him up. His father was a pretty successful business man, but in retrospect it is very clear that he was having an affair. He was never in town and when he was, my friend seemed to hate it. His mom ended up having an affair with a coach at the school. Bad situation.
Anyway, around 3rd or 4th grade, he started acting like an ass at times. It was like he wanted to take something out on someone, so he chose me (his best friend). I am a pretty nice guy, not really one to take abuse, but this was my friend. I started spending less time with him, and things started getting worse. He felt threatened, so he would try to cut me down in front of other kids. At the same time, he would apologize later and we would be friends again. He acted like it was all in good fun. This is a hard thing for a 3rd grader to figure out. He was good at basketball and handsome, so people generally wanted to be his friend. Also, at a small Catholic school, it wasn't like I could avoid him.
Our teachers were all nuns, so they couldn't have been worse on the emotional health side. As long as we weren't physically fighting, they left us alone. He never scared me physically; I didn't think he was going to hurt me.
This went on for the next four years. It is easy to say that I should've talked to someone or stopped being his friend, but it isn't that easy. I think my parents knew that his home life was a wreck, so they would invite him over a lot. He was always nice when he came over. It was when we were in a group setting that he would be a jerk, which is the worst place for that kind of thing to happen. I remember one time we found a Playboy in the woods when we were riding bikes. This was probably 5th grade or something. The next week in school, he told people that I took it home to "jerk off." I am being 100% serious when I tell you that I had no idea what jerking off was. I didn't know about masturbation at that point. That is how I found out what that meant. That was the kind of crap he would pull.
It wasn't until about halfway through 8th grade that I finally told him to fvck off and literally never spoke with him again. We went to different high schools and I basically avoided him. He made some stupid decisions in high school but ended up okay, I think. I heard that he has a kid and lives in another state.
I honestly think his bullying messed my confidence up on a deep level. I have been successful, but I think it is because I have a bit of a Napoleon complex thing as a result of his abuse (I am just over 6 feet tall, so I don't think it is actually related to height). I have to be the best at things, or at least better than most people. I was a college athlete, I have a beautiful family and I am what most would consider wealthy as a result of a good job.
That being said, I still dislike the guy and it still bothers me. I am in my mid thirties. I can only imagine how much someone might suffer if they were truly bullied and made to feel like a nothing. I had basically everything going for me and I still have some effects from what a lot of people probably wouldn't even consider bullying.
It is easy to call someone weak or tell them to suck it up, but when you are young it is very hurtful and confusing. This is serious emotional stuff that can latch on and kick your ass for years after it stops.
Wow, thanks for the insight. Great post.
Essentially is killing not the pinnacle of bullying?