Major drug bust from Jamaican trials in 100 meters

We'll see whether the powers that be let Tyson go down too then.

if tyson pulls out from a race it's because he is gonna be tested like a madman!

You should note that by and large, it is usually the finals and semi-finals of these competitions that are subject to testing and/or any PB's/MR/WR's etc.

Testing is costly, no sense wasting it on the minnows. Tyson getting out early could have meant avoiding testing altogether.

I may not know as much as some others about the seedy going-ons but this entire incident is going to blow up in massive fashion me thinks, just like the BALCO thing.

'USADA informant', a couple serious questions:

1. In your estimation, how many of these numerous positive tests you predict for Daegu will actually be announced, and how many will be swept under the rug?

2. Is there work being done to address the thyroid hormone manipulation --> increased EPO synthesis that the Oregon Project is obviously involved in?

I have always been one who has known some drug positives are swept under the rug when the name is too big like Bolt in 2009 as has long been rumored. In 2008 and 2009 there were many positives for masking agents and they were covered up (see paragraph below). But I do think there will be very few protected athletes this go round as the IAAF wants to clean things up. Of course the IAAF ridding the sport of drugs and thus lowering the potential performances is like the NFL getting seriously tough on drugs so that superstars are busted and more players stay on the IR despite large salaries. Lots of lip service but not a lot of real action.

The "thyroid" issue is one getting intense scrutiny at the moment as more research is done on the issue that Alberto is abusing. That will likely not break until 2012 however I do think many in the distance community are sweating bulletts over the new HGH and EPO test and the whole blood tests that have become prevalent in the past 12 months as its allowing for a lot more detail on certain body readings at various dates. There will be a few analytical positives like we saw 2 years ago with the Russians.

Let me point out one VERY INTERESTING DETAIL in the Mullings case. His agent is John Regis. Regis was agent for Dwain Chambers and he himself was oft said to be skirting the drug tests in his days as a sprinter on the circuit.

Throw in this next little "coincidence" and you will really become curious as to the goings on of his group. Note that he also reps Alonzo Edward, Ryan Braithwaite and Derrick Atkins who all were top guys in 08 or 09 but have struggled since. Why the struggle? I was told going back to question above is that they were told after positive tests for masking agents that they needed to be clean or be banned.

In a way I am glad to hear this. We all think something is fishy in a small country like Jamaica having a

depth in the sprint events that even the US cannot match.

I hope we can return to the days where a sub-10:00 clocking

is not dime a dozen.

As a longtime track fan, I can tell you that small country had a depth in sprinting before doping was common. Add to that genetic and historical factors. Notice as well that the Bahamas, Trinidad, and other small places in the same area have great sprinters, much like two small countries called Kenya and Ethiopia have a disproportionate success in the distances. A tradition of excellence in certain events gets others motivated. Think Finland and javelin for instance, and all the others mentioned. Sure, let's catch cheaters, but not cast aspersions.

fff wrote:

In a way I am glad to hear this. We all think something is fishy in a small country like Jamaica having a

depth in the sprint events that even the US cannot match.

I hope we can return to the days where a sub-10:00 clocking

is not dime a dozen.

Whenever I hear about cover ups, or allegations of cover ups, by governing bodies it makes me so sad. Why can't they just do the right thing and out the cheaters. I get why they do it but where is the integrity? Hopefully they are just rumors.

There is no reason why Jamaica should be better than the US.

Their best sprinters in both countries are black whose ancestors came from West Africa. Same origin in other words.

Genetic and historical factors are essentially the same.

Now comparing with the success of of the East Africans is comparing apples with oranges for the reasons above.

peace.

Larry Badore wrote:

This reminds me of one time in Home economics, my teacher (Ms. Lisa we called her)you see had all put in for homework checks, but my buddy Ralph was going steady with this girl named Gail and they went out the night before. In order to save some time on his work (so that he could head down to "lovers lane" with Gail), he skipped the questions 2-15. I spent that very same night however constructing model airplanes, though! So let that be a lesson to you all!

Only thing worth reading in the entire thread. Yawn.

USADA informant -

I appreciate the response.

Your comment about the whole blood tests - I assume this is in reference to the biological passport? Recently read a very interesting journal article about the BP, including some graphs that led to pretty inescapable conclusions (inverse relationship between retic and Hb, for instance). Will athletes be busted for these kind of anomalous profiles, or will they just be targeted for further blood/urine testing?

Have you not heard of out of competition testing. They can test him at any time, in season or out, injured or not. If he shows up with anything not on a TUE, he is in trouble.

Sierra Nevada IPA wrote:

USADA informant -

I appreciate the response.

Your comment about the whole blood tests - I assume this is in reference to the biological passport? Recently read a very interesting journal article about the BP, including some graphs that led to pretty inescapable conclusions (inverse relationship between retic and Hb, for instance). Will athletes be busted for these kind of anomalous profiles, or will they just be targeted for further blood/urine testing?

It can only lead to targeted testing. That's how it works in cycling.

In track and field it might be the opposite though. Spot the ones that are dodgy and avoid testing them just in case a big name gets busted.

crazy person wrote:

This sucks. I need to find a new niche sport without the drug-use nonsense. If this gets big, it's going to kill track and field.

Track and field has been dying for a number of years. Sorry to break the news to you.

So does that mean that Wariner has been doping? I think yes

Mullings testing positive does not implicate his group. He is a known drug user in the past and his progression in the last couple years shows he's been doing it again it.

That being said, 9.80 is probably the limit of clean performance in the 100.

No what I meant with the wariner comment was to point out that he just pulled out with an injury. Wariner trains in tx so he and mullings have no connection. But maybe that is the reason for hart and his original rift around beijing olympics. Hart didn't want to coach dirty athlete. It's strange that when asked why wariner wasn't going to worlds, he said he guess that it was a foot injury or something like that

Using the diuretic Lasix does not mean everyone around you is using it. Some actually use it to lose water weight and pee out toxins. It's not some wonder PED. If the positive were for a specific enhancer, then we might suspect others in group.

Tyson Gay training partner in Florida.