The team dynamics the author describes remind me very much of the descriptions I get from some female friends I have who play D-1 soccer. They attributed their discord to the coach's ability to turn the girls against each other. The situation the author seems to have been in is remarkably similar. Female coach who doesn't care about the girls' welfare and know exactly what to say to cut them down most.
stillruns wrote:
speaking of the strawman argument, what about the portrayal of the men's team? She makes them sound like a bunch of drunken sexist pigs...
I don't think you understand what a strawman argument actually is.
TK1451 wrote: They attributed their discord to the coach's ability to turn the girls against each other.
In my experience, girls don't need anyone to turn them against each other. They are in constant competition with each other anyway.
telling it like it is wrote:
halfwit wrote:Funny, because the womens team is on scholarship at this girls school and the men aren't so that would make me think that people care MORE about the women.
And by your line of thinking she should just not even try because no one cares about her performance anyway? Please don't ever have children you dumb sh!t.
hey retard, thats because of title 9. without title 9, the men and women would have equal scholarships. its not because ppl care about womens xc and not mens xc. there is federal legislation that requires this. and the federal legislation is not because ppl care, but because in the 60s women werent allowed to play collegiate sports; the legislation is outdated. stop being stupid now.
without title 9 men and women would NOT have equal scholarships. they are equal because of title 9. you should be angry at the idiot ADs out there who allow huge football programs, and choose mens XC to be the sport that gets no support.
agagaga wrote:
Any way of changing the settings so I can read the oldest posts first?
Start at the bottom.
Actually I wondered why she kept writing backwards, was 1/2 way down the page and discovered the headings on the left.
halfwit wrote:
telling it like it is wrote:hey retard, thats because of title 9. without title 9, the men and women would have equal scholarships. its not because ppl care about womens xc and not mens xc. there is federal legislation that requires this. and the federal legislation is not because ppl care, but because in the 60s women werent allowed to play collegiate sports; the legislation is outdated. stop being stupid now.
without title 9 men and women would NOT have equal scholarships. they are equal because of title 9. you should be angry at the idiot ADs out there who allow huge football programs, and choose mens XC to be the sport that gets no support.
Exactly. Women deserve just as much chance to participate in NCAA sports as men do. Take it up with the football team and leave the ladies alone... But I doubt that is your style.
Mop the floor and make me something to eat . I'm going out.
crap runner wrote:
Exactly. Women deserve just as much chance to participate in NCAA sports as men do.
Nobody "deserves" anything for free. We earn it. If women want to participate in sports and have leagues and charge admission and sell team merch and put that money into scholarships so some athletes can get free educations, then they are certainly free to do so. Go for it.
Do they need anyone's help to do this? Men didn't. In other words, it violates the main claim of feminism (that women are as capable as men) when women demand to be included in something men have created, instead of getting to work and creating their own viable, sustainable system.
rsbones wrote:
Nobody "deserves" anything for free. We earn it. If women want to participate in sports and have leagues and charge admission and sell team merch and put that money into scholarships so some athletes can get free educations, then they are certainly free to do so. Go for it.
Do they need anyone's help to do this? Men didn't. In other words, it violates the main claim of feminism (that women are as capable as men) when women demand to be included in something men have created, instead of getting to work and creating their own viable, sustainable system.
what about XC and track and field? Neither of those sports bring in much money or sell merchandise or attract people to the school. Maybe they should be cut to increase the support for football and basketball. Oh wait, some schools already do that and we complain about that too..
THIS IS IT! wrote:
You won't find 1 out of 10 coaches who actually encourage it because everyone with a basic knowledge of running knows that it only hurts you.
I won't find 1 out of 10 - does that mean I'll find 9 out of 10?
Here's 1: She was recently fired from a private northeast institution for doing this very thing.
Telling girls that they NEED to lose weight, praising the girls who obviously have disorders for their performances, and telling an athlete that you are aware that one of your top athletes HAS a problem - but that you dont care and wont confront her - is basically encouragement to an 18yr old freshmen who is dealing with the stress of scholarships and contributing to her DI team[/quote]
Accurate except for that last part. if you're going to choose an example, then be smart enough to realize that ivies don't give scholarships. No pressure to stay with the team whatsoever once you've been accepted. come on, man.
rsbones wrote:
crap runner wrote:Exactly. Women deserve just as much chance to participate in NCAA sports as men do.
Nobody "deserves" anything for free. We earn it. If women want to participate in sports and have leagues and charge admission and sell team merch and put that money into scholarships so some athletes can get free educations, then they are certainly free to do so. Go for it.
Do they need anyone's help to do this? Men didn't. In other words, it violates the main claim of feminism (that women are as capable as men) when women demand to be included in something men have created, instead of getting to work and creating their own viable, sustainable system.
So basically scholarships should be based upon revenue that the sport garners? That bodes really well for Cross Country and track. Wait a minute, schools keep those sports for other reasons than economics.
Of course athletes earn their scholarships. title 9 ensures that women will have just as much of a chance to earn a scholarship that a man would have.
rsbones wrote:
Nobody "deserves" anything for free. We earn it. If women want to participate in sports and have leagues and charge admission and sell team merch and put that money into scholarships so some athletes can get free educations, then they are certainly free to do so. Go for it.
Do they need anyone's help to do this? Men didn't. In other words, it violates the main claim of feminism (that women are as capable as men) when women demand to be included in something men have created, instead of getting to work and creating their own viable, sustainable system.
Oh, please. XC and Track are both money-losers that nobody really cares about. Men don't "deserve" running scholarships any more than women, which is to say not at all. I'd love to see athletic scholarships go away, but I doubt we'll see that.
Title IX ensures that women have MORE of a chance to "earn" a scholarship than the equivalent male does. For every 1/2 scholarship "earning" 5:30 mile-running girl who gets her opportunity to run at a small school, there are a dozen guys running twice the hours and breaking 4:30 who still have no chance at their collegiate dreams.
If you want true equivalence, you're living in the wrong agenda-driven country. Women are not bioenergetically efficient for sport. That paid-off, little-knowing legislators get to help little girls carry out their dreams while little boys don't does not change that fact. Rsbones had a valid point. Deal with it.
Women are 50% of the population and thus 50% of the scholarships would be equilty. The fact that women are not socially encouraged to participate in sport at a young age. Equitable scholarships is a start to address this. Killing off the old boy mentality will take awhile though as this board is indicative of.
Sorry for interrupting the wonderful sexist banter, but to get slightly back on topic... Does anyone have any idea what program this story, if not too heavily fictionalized, could be referring to?
you think this is a democracy wrote:
THIS IS IT! wrote:You won't find 1 out of 10 coaches who actually encourage it because everyone with a basic knowledge of running knows that it only hurts you.
I won't find 1 out of 10 - does that mean I'll find 9 out of 10?
Here's 1: She was recently fired from a private northeast institution for doing this very thing.
Telling girls that they NEED to lose weight, praising the girls who obviously have disorders for their performances, and telling an athlete that you are aware that one of your top athletes HAS a problem - but that you dont care and wont confront her - is basically encouragement to an 18yr old freshmen who is dealing with the stress of scholarships and contributing to her DI team
Accurate except for that last part. if you're going to choose an example, then be smart enough to realize that ivies don't give scholarships. No pressure to stay with the team whatsoever once you've been accepted. come on, man.[/quote]
You are missing the point of my argument. Just because Ivies dont have scholarships doesnt mean that the athletes dont feel pressure to perform well. It also doesnt mean that the coach should be able to verbally abuse the athletes because "they don't have to be there". Who the hell wants to transfer from a school they otherwise like, because they find out too late that their coach is unprofessional and clearly an idiot for accepting/encouraging EDs?
female college runner wrote:
Sorry for interrupting the wonderful sexist banter, but to get slightly back on topic... Does anyone have any idea what program this story, if not too heavily fictionalized, could be referring to?
I have wondered myself though I just get the feeling that it is too fictionized to hold one school in reference. I could be wrong though.
It just makes me thankful that I had a coach who, not only was a great coach in terms of teaching running, was a decent human being. There was a runner on the women's team with an ED and he actually worked with her parents to get her help. She is a healthy individual now (about 15 years later). The coach was part of the solution and not the problem.
and there was a new post today in which the narrator showed more sympathy and empathy towards her teammate.....
poet wrote:
Mop the floor and make me something to eat . I'm going out.
The ghost of Jim Carroll?
What a stupid post --who the Hell cares--Oh Wah--things haven't changed --poor me!