I, for one, am excited to see what Vaughn can do in this race.
He's had a nice year so far, i.e fast half-marathon, nice 3k at altitude, and a very solid 5k at Mt. SAC (where apparently he felt great cardio wise, just tired legs - probably was ready for a sub 13:20).
I'm thinking 27:35-27:45 for what is really his 10k debut (I think he won Big XII's on a hot and humid day once, just to score points for CU). I've always felt his best event would be the ten.
Go BV!
Talent Scout wrote:
Having a deep lineup for a race is not conducive for record times. After the rabbits drop off - the pace slows because no one wants to do all the work since everyone has similar ability.
The fastest 10000m time in the western hemisphere was run @ Hayward.
You forgot to mention that was run by Bekele, not some American. Anywhere Bekele would have ran would have been the fastest time ever in the western hemisphere.
I agree, go to stanford. Bairu, Chelenga, Farah, these guys are legit. 13th place at world cross shows he's the real deal. Personally, I don't see what indicators we have of Rupp actually being able to go 27:1x. I hope he does it, but I think we might have our expectations too high.
alyosha wrote:
Personally, I don't see what indicators we have of Rupp actually being able to go 27:1x.
I think that Rupp and Salazar making a public statement that he is going to shoot for the AR is a pretty good indication. Neither of them is known for overconfidence.
totally stoked wrote:
I, for one, am excited to see what Vaughn can do in this race.
He's had a nice year so far, i.e fast half-marathon, nice 3k at altitude, and a very solid 5k at Mt. SAC (where apparently he felt great cardio wise, just tired legs - probably was ready for a sub 13:20).
I'm thinking 27:35-27:45 for what is really his 10k debut (I think he won Big XII's on a hot and humid day once, just to score points for CU). I've always felt his best event would be the ten.
Go BV!
I'll say Rupp has a good race but comes up short running 27:26.93.
webby wrote:
alyosha wrote:Personally, I don't see what indicators we have of Rupp actually being able to go 27:1x.
I think that Rupp and Salazar making a public statement that he is going to shoot for the AR is a pretty good indication. Neither of them is known for overconfidence.
Kara Goucher HM record attempt? Last year? Too long ago for you?
If he waits till Eugene, Juan Luis Barrios could be the spoiler. He ran 27:40 last year on 1500/5000 training and is focusing on the 10,000 this year. If he is anywhere near Ruppy with 400 to go Barrios will kick past him in the last straight. Peace Out.
I don't see how anyone can doubt Rupp can run 27:1x. His 27:33 PR is exactly three years old. Since then he ran faster than any American has ever run in the Olympics 10K, and looked virtually unbeatable throughout his last year of college, setting an American record 5000 indoors. He blew away Ritz in the US Championships. His only disappointing race was the World Championships after dealing with injury. Since then he ran four seconds faster than his former 5K indoor record, in 13:14, and ran a very good race at the World Championship 3000 for 5th in 7:42. It's been nearly three months since the 5K, and if his training is going well enough for him and Salazar to announce he's going to go for the record, you can be damn sure he's in shape for it.
If he doesn't break the record, he will have had a bad day. If all goes well, the only question is by how much. If he had better competition, I think he could break 27:00. That would have been a great duel with Ritz. This weekend I say he runs 27:09.
bairu trying to break canadian record of 27:36 at stanford as well: http://twitter.com/SimonBairu
Fastnbulbous wrote:
His 27:33 PR is exactly three years old. Since then he ran faster than any American has ever run in the Olympics 10K, and looked virtually unbeatable throughout his last year of college, setting an American record 5000 indoors. He blew away Ritz in the US Championships. His only disappointing race was the World Championships after dealing with injury. Since then he ran four seconds faster than his former 5K indoor record, in 13:14, and ran a very good race at the World Championship 3000 for 5th in 7:42. It's been nearly three months since the 5K, and if his training is going well enough for him and Salazar to announce he's going to go for the record, you can be damn sure he's in shape for it.
This is precisely why MOST people who know running think he will NOT run 27:09 this weekend. His ACTUAL credentials are not that good. You know what a good credential for a 27:09 guy is? A 27:09. Not 13:14, 7:42, first American, NCAA championship, or "he looks faster."
skiptoo wrote:
yoda wrote:No, there is another.....
by this do you mean Rupp is the running equivalent of Princess Leia ?
No. You will know him when you see him.
socatoa wrote:You know what a good credential for a 27:09 guy is? A 27:09. Not 13:14, 7:42, first American, NCAA championship, or "he looks faster."
My guess is that you've never predicted a record-breaking performance with that methodology.
This made me laugh
road rashed wrote:
Here's 10+ guys that would beat the hell out of running with Puskedra as your rabbit and trying to see how many time you can lap the Mercados with Acosta in your ear every time you pass the steeple pit.
4 Simon Bairu Nike/Kimbia
6 Scott Bauhs Adidas
10 Shadrack Biwott Otc
13 Boaz Cheboiywo Kimbia
14 Sam Chelanga Liberty
15 Alistair Cragg adidas
17 Robert Curtis Melbourne Tr
20 Anthony Famiglietti Saucony
21 Mo Farah Pace Sports
22 Shawn Forrest Melbourne Tr
27 Brett Gotcher Adidas
44 Tim Nelson Nike/Kimbia
55 Patrick Smyth Nike
56 Chris Solinsky Unattached
59 Brent Vaughn Nike/Kimbia
webby wrote:
socatoa wrote:You know what a good credential for a 27:09 guy is? A 27:09. Not *bla bla bla*."My guess is that you've never predicted a record-breaking performance with that methodology.
Ha ha ha! It's the same logic that lead someone last summer to say Ritz would never break 13:10, let alone 13:00, because he had never before broken 13:10. Logic to make yer head spin!
Just my take on it. I would like an American to break the american record and a canadian break the canadian record. If at all possible sub 27 10K on american soil by a north american. I want to see a rabbit take it out hard and many people still in the mix late. This could potentially be a day like the day Ritz ran sub 13. Historic
At least one other national record is at risk. Histrionic!