Thoughts on Gatlin

I knew Gatlin was a cheat. How you run close to the world record your second race of the season. This is a disgrace to our sport and the clean athlethes who train hard everyday. I'm glad all of this and that group or being exposed. I have been praying about this, and this shows that God does answer prayer.

I knew Gatlin was a cheat. How you run close to the world record your second race of the season. This is a disgrace to our sport and the clean athlethes who train hard everyday. I'm glad all of this and that group or being exposed. I have been praying about this, and this shows that God does answer prayer.

The_DarK_Horse!!! wrote:

. . . and this shows that God does answer prayer.

Like I said . . .

Dweedle, we do have plenty of healthy scepticism - finally some scepticism toward the athletes. After much denial, the public at large is starting to cut through the vast layers of bullshit and realize there is a ton of "legalese" and doublespeak coming from athletes that fail drug tests.

Do you really think the athletics world would continue to administer a test that is so vastly flawed that every single positive result is a testing error? I think it's more likely the test is accurate and those that fail it are desperately trying to save their careers. That, my friend, is healthy scepticism.

Larz wrote:

Dweedle, we do have plenty of healthy scepticism - finally some scepticism toward the athletes.

Finally? Finally?

We've been flooded with skepticism about athletic performances for years, decades. Every time another high-profile athlete is implicated, the faithful wail and shriek like bereaved wives. They're all filthy. That's it for me. I'll never watch another meet. And so on . . . ad nauseum.

But, skepticism about the testing is almost nonexistent. The testing flaws have to rubbed in people's faces before they get it. And even then, many don't. Look at the number of people who still think Lagat was guilty.

Do you really think the athletics world would continue to administer a test that is so vastly flawed that every single positive result is a testing error?

I didn't even imply that "every single positive result is a testing error," now did I. That's one of the most dishonest straw-man arguments I've seen. I said that tests that purport to distinguish exogenous from endogenous substances are notoriously difficult and prone to error. The EPO test and, apparently, the testosterone test used to implicate Gatlin are two such tests.

C. Pajak wrote:

iClick wrote:

You know what I'd like? Just once, when one of these chumps gets caught, instead of the excuses and insistences that they never "knowingly" took any banned substnces, I'd love to hear them say, "Yes, I'm guilty as charged. I have no excuse, I just gambled & lost."

Never gonna happen, but you can always dream.

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onecameclean wrote:

Wrong, Kellie White did, and I have great respect for her in doing so.

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Yes, admitting you are a drug cheat after you have evidence mounted against you is a VERY admirable quality....i'll relay this kind of mindset and lesson onto my kids...

On a more thoughtful note...

When Kelli White admitted use, her results were canceled three years back in addition to her two-year ban. She essentially got a five-year penalty in total, and only because she came clean. Athletes who do nothing but deny, deny, deny just get a two-year penalty. Does this not make any sense to you, either?

iClick wrote:

You know what I'd like? Just once, when one of these chumps gets caught, instead of the excuses and insistences that they never "knowingly" took any banned substnces, I'd love to hear them say, "Yes, I'm guilty as charged. I have no excuse, I just gambled & lost."

Never gonna happen, but you can always dream.

Cathal Lombard says "Hi".

if Satch was JUSTIN he would make up a story that while in a massage parlor he was drugged by a nude TRAINER hired by the Russian mafia.

When Gatlin is banned for life he'll have plenty of time to go to massage parlors. Maybe he can redeem himself by working with kids, talking about the dangers of PED's, go back to school to obtain his degree. There is no honor in lying and cheating, and as soon as Gatlin drops his sabotage charade and accepts reality, maybe he will be able to rehabilitate his image somewhat.

Until then, I'll monitor the comments on the T&FN board, which this morning seem to be saying that drugs are everywhere in the sport and rather than make a big fuss over it, it's better to turn your head away and accept it. Gatlin's been on the cover of T&FN more than a few times, and it's easy to understand how the loss of their poster boy can send those swept away Gatlin die-hards into crying jags. That's the interesting thing about that board, slowly the apologists, conspiracy theorists, and head-in-the-sand people decide the testing was compromised and can you not wait until Marion Jones next competition?

And darn that shady, nefarious saboteur! Someone in Trevor Graham's Human Resource department must have royally screwed up by bringing that person on board again!

Until these doping ass clowns get criminal fraud charges brought against them by their sponsors or the meet promotors, PED's are always going to be a worthy roll of the dice. Gatlin will cash out with a couple million in the bank and no worries about his testosterone levels. Track and field will continue to limp along until the next bombshell explodes on a Saturday afternoon.

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But, skepticism about the testing is almost nonexistent. The testing flaws have to rubbed in people's faces before they get it. And even then, many don't. Look at the number of people who still think Lagat was guilty.

Do you really think the athletics world would continue to administer a test that is so vastly flawed that every single positive result is a testing error?

I didn't even imply that "every single positive result is a testing error," now did I. That's one of the most dishonest straw-man arguments I've seen. I said that tests that purport to distinguish exogenous from endogenous substances are notoriously difficult and prone to error. The EPO test and, apparently, the testosterone test used to implicate Gatlin are two such tests.

No, you didn't say that every positive result was a testing error, but neither did I accuse you of that. I asked you if you really thought the athletics world would keep administering such a flawed test. In other words, I was making the point that perhaps the test is not as wishy-washy and prone to error as many suggest.

...And I think that scepticism about the testing procedures abounds. It has for quite some time. With every positive result, there are substantial camps on both the "give him a chance!" and "let him fry!" sides. I was pointing out that the "give him a chance" ranks are dwindling with each successive positive result, because people are beginning to smell the b.s. Can you blame people when headlines announcing positive drug tests come out all the time and with increasing frequency? I think scepticism is important, but it works both ways - sometimes connecting the dots and cutting through the fog of uncertainty created by drug cheats, their shady agents and lawyers is not such an ignorant attitude as you suggest.

Lagat is guilty of EPO. He has lost all those that trained with him and befriended him at the time of his big jump from 3:37 at Washington to consistent sub 3:30 seasons. His agent's post Paris World Championship ban statement contained words that even the diplomatic Bernie cannot discern. Ask around. Those that were closest to him refuse to speak with him. They suspected something was fishy the whole time. Yet with open arms, the courageous leader, Craig Masback, embraced him as a citizen. This is apart from how he misled the country of his origin, his bloodline, and became a citizen before wearing a Kenyan jersey in the sacred Olympic Games. I guess he fits right in with Gatlin, Trevor Graham, Masback, Ronaldo, and the rest of the ongoing deception and passive aggressive attempts to cleanse USATF. Fear of losing market shares should not mean making a deal with the devil. Shame, dishonor, and ethical fallouts all for money, money, money.

I will continue to train hard and run as fast as I possibly can but I will do it no longer for pride in my federation. Show me something, please show me someone that can lead us from this mess!!!

was Jesus juiced wheh he walked on water?

The rhEPO test used on Lagat, and many others, was very wishy-washy. Read Hans Heid's report, including the part about the horrendous sample-handling. Truly disgusting stuff.

And as I've long maintained,the "athletics world," i.e., WADA and the IAAF, do indeed have strong incentives to use shaky tests. For the survival of the sport, and to justify their own existence, they must show that they are cracking down hard on drugs -- even if the tests used might ruin the careers of a few innocent athletes. The last thing the want to admit is that they don't have a reliable test for a performance enhancer known to be widely used. The falsely accused innocent athletes are just collateral damage in a larger war whose ends justify the use of any means.

Simplistic reporting is a huge part of the problem. For example, there are far too many dumb reporters who continue to this day to write that Olga Yegorova and Bernard Lagat were let off on a "technicality." So it's not surprising that few people consider the possibility that the testing is flawed. Even when it is demonstrated unequivocally that the athlete was actually innocent, it's implied that that they weren't REALLY innocent. In fact, in its last word on the Lagat fiasco, WADA itself insisted on using the term "technicality" to describe the circumstances leading to Lagat's (total) exoneration. That's 100% pure Colombian bullshit.

young 5k stud wrote:

Lagat is guilty of EPO.

Need I say more.

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