Describe Your Running Today, Part II

10 miles in 1:08:16: colder than a witch's tit and icy, too.

Nice relaxed 62mins running around Lake Eppalock. Finished with a refreshing dip in the cool waters of the lake.

Rain the last 2 days has pushed the lake back up to nearly 6% of it's capacity.

As always a nice chance to sight water birds. Quite a few pelicans out fishing. Also had the company of 2 wedge tail eagles circling overhead on the thermals for a time.

Might jump on the windtrainer for 1/2 an hour after dinner.

after the short trail run on wed., decided i'd give thurs. a shot too.....first back-to-back days in quite some time.....stayed on the roads and kept things short, 32'......legs were a bit tired, but no morning after stiffness......feeling encouraged and optimistic.....still not going to rush back into things and will take a day off before a weekend run....life is good.....

Skuj wrote:

There's an 800m race on Apr 18th at a local meet, and I may try it. Sub 2:20 would be superb for me at this stage. But I'm only just getting into "speedwork".

As benchmarks, I'll try the following:

4 weeks to go: 200m in sub35sec.

3 weeks to go: 300m in sub52.5sec.

2 weeks to go: 400m in sub 70sec.

1 week to go: 600m in sub 1:45.

So, I'm about 9 days away from that 200m, and I'm quite confident that I can safely prepare for that.

Do you think this is good planning? Thanks.

Skuj.

Without more information, I'd have to say NO. The real question is how do you plan to get into 35 sec 200m shape, and how do you propose to extend that same pace to the longer distances given only a single week between each time trial? Seems ambitious, but I'm not sure of your current conditioning level.

Jon

(don't call me RD)

RD wrote:

Without more information, I'd have to say NO. The real question is how do you plan to get into 35 sec 200m shape, and how do you propose to extend that same pace to the longer distances given only a single week between each time trial? Seems ambitious, but I'm not sure of your current conditioning level.

Of course I'll continue with strides/accels after most runs, and these are beginning to touch that goal 800m pace. Soon, there will be some 150m runs. It will be a gradual shift. In a couple of weeks, 4x200m strides will be typical.

I'm getting into shape, that's for sure.

Seer wrote:

Prediction: Skuj will now refer to "track chick" as "RD."

Skuj wrote:

Things are looking up, and RD, I'm gonna keep posting!!! :)

NAILED IT!

Well, it looks like I've taken on some more noms de plume in recent days with the apparent addition of "Sun Dance" and others to my presumed repertoire. I'm warning you, tpcb, that soon he'll have you mixed up with me too. Ha ha!

It's been a good week for the running. I'm edging slowly (and I mean SLOWLY, ha ha) past the 40 minute marker. Perhaps I'll surpass 45 this weekend. We'll see. I'm in no hurry to press this thing. Nor will you see me copying workouts from someone else. I believe that a coach should be confident enough in his own knowledge of training theory to be able to create his own sessions. I've got a plan, it is mine, and I believe it is a good one, thank you. Of course, I am always open to feedback, but ulimately I take full responsibility for my training.

Speaking of feedback, allow me to briefly address the continued references to some of my past workouts. I am always willing to to answer legitimate and thoughtful questions that have not already been answered. I do not intend to burden this thread by repeating answers to questions that were asked earlier, or with responses to those questions that are obviously of malicious intent.

In the meantime, let's keep this thread rocking. I'll offer my best DYRT "anniversary" wishes to all of you (1.5 yrs?!) and hope that we continue to thrive through the 2 year mark and beyond! All are welcome to post their thoughtful posts about our daily runs here. We are all in this together!

Keep up the good work, all!

O2, its your handle and "Life is good" that's cause for inspiration on this rather improvised, never-done-before, unpredicted and unpredictable, taper up in the alps...

So, its cros country skiing on some beautiful 10k loops at 1700meters just above Madonna di Campiglio - With bride (as good-man driske would say!) and kids. We are all taking lessons. Anybody and everybody who runs should learn how to cross country ski, no? You get that forefoot push and biomechanics without stress really sorted out...

Today: lessons with kids - 1hr The instructors are very likeable.

4k loop with kids - about another 1hr (keep in mind my son is 5)

then solo 10k loop. Easy but hilly.

more playing around after lunch.

O2, Life is good. Hope it works out as a taper...

Marathon, one week tomorrow.

No trolls up in the mountains.

(There's only one troll around here, and it isn't me.....)

Yesterday I had a day off.

Today, I'm thrilled to finally be practicing 800m pace, and it felt good, and most importantly, it was done safely, with no issues lingering....

30min jog on grass + 4x100m accels on the track + 100m on the track in 16.88sec + 10min jog on the grass.

I'm pumped.

Cheers

Skuj

www.cvrr.ca

Running Dogg wrote:

Speaking of feedback, allow me to briefly address the continued references to some of my past workouts. I am always willing to to answer legitimate and thoughtful questions that have not already been answered.

When you said you did 10x300m in 40sec, what kind of 800m/1500m shape were you in? (You have never answered this legitimate/thoughtful question. Most experts in the "10x300m in 40sec" thread which was generated as a result of this stunning announcement suggested well under 3:40 1500m. ie World class. I agree with them. It's astonishing to have a world class runner posting at DYRT.)

Thanks.

Skuj

Skuj wrote:

When you said you did 10x300m in 40sec, what kind of 800m/1500m shape were you in? (You have never answered this legitimate/thoughtful question. Most experts in the "10x300m in 40sec" thread which was generated as a result of this stunning announcement suggested well under 3:40 1500m. ie World class. I agree with them. It's astonishing to have a world class runner posting at DYRT.)

Thanks.

Skuj

http://www.cvrr.ca

Actually there are several present and former world class runners posting/lurking here on letsrun. Some top notch coaches, too!

Also, that question has been answered, though admitedly indirectly. Reread that thread and I'm sure you'll find the answer.

Successfully moved up to 47 minutes today. Felt great and am ready for more (?). We'll see how I feel tomorrow.

Keep up the good work, all!

Running Dogg wrote:

I'll offer my best DYRT "anniversary" wishes to all of you (1.5 yrs?!) and hope that we continue to thrive through the 2 year mark and beyond!

DYRT1 began in April 2007. This was the very first post:

"Skuj wrote:

What, When, Where, How and Why?

Young or Old.

Fast or Slow.

This Is A Neverending Thread.

Discuss."

The first few pages of DYRT1 were removed by letsrun, but you can see several people (+ one troll in particular)referencing/quoting this post in the first few pages of DYRT1.

Cheers

Skuj

Starter Of DYRT

Running Dogg wrote:

Also, that question has been answered, though admitedly indirectly. Reread that thread and I'm sure you'll find the answer.

OK, if you don't want to answer that one, here's one last try for today:

I once told you that you could run 13:15 for 5k based on another session that you posted, now deleted. (Many 800s av 2:02, with short recovery.)

Apparantly, you went and raced 19:42, then blamed me for your poor performance. (ALL POSTED!)

How is it that a world class runner such as yourself could run so poorly, and blame it on the "advice" of others?

Thanks.

Skuj

Starter Of DYRT

Skuj wrote:

OK, if you don't want to answer that one, here's one last try for today:

I once told you that you could run 13:15 for 5k based on another session that you posted, now deleted. (Many 800s av 2:02, with short recovery.)

Apparantly, you went and raced 19:42, then blamed me for your poor performance. (ALL POSTED!)

How is it that a world class runner such as yourself could run so poorly, and blame it on the "advice" of others?

Thanks.

Skuj

http://www.cvrr.ca

Starter Of DYRT

I have never claimed to be a "world class runner." I understand that you believe that to be the case, which may be the reason for your "fondness" of me. However, I assure you that I put my pants on one leg at a time, just like everyone else.

The situation you describe has been well documented, and explained by me, elsewhere in the DYRT threads. Surely you are capable of reading the posts for yourself. The answers you seek are there. It all really makes very good sense, if you care to look for the explanation.

Once again let me make very clear that I am but a humble runner with no "world class" ambitions. Perhaps once you understand this, you will direct your infatuation elsewhere. Here's hoping.

Running Dogg wrote:

I have never claimed to be a "world class runner."

But you posted that you did 10x300m in 40sec with 100m jog recoveries. Legit 3:40 runners have claimed that they cannot do that. Some guessed 3:36 / well under 1:50 800m. I agree with them.

Discuss.

Skuj

Starter Of DYRT

Half marathon at a relaxed pace until the last few miles. Capping off a hard 3 days.

Ran through a park that I haven't been able to run in since November because of the snow.

I have long wanted to learn how to xc ski, I have a long acquaintance with several top line (by Aus standards) xc skiiers. Unfortunately I've never taken the opportunity.

It's certainly an interesting taper for a marathon. At our stage in life we should not be getting to caught up in perfect tapers etc but just making themost of life's opportunities. If you end up running a few minutes slower because of it (not that you really know)then big deal. The quality time with the family is worth it.

Yesterday was a very pleasing 2hr/45km mtb ride. I ended up getting soaked by rain the last 10kms, that was also very pleasing given the drought conditions.

This morning was a nice 12.5km hill race at Dunnstown near Ballarat (120kms from home). Very cold and windy to start with. The race climbs up to the summit of Mt Warrenheip over about 8.5kms then you charge back to the town.

Steve Moneghetti took out the race and with it the O/40 prize. Being near Ballarat the race was well attended and very competitive. Twice as many runners as the population of the little town!!

I was happy with my effort. I got dropped from quite a big pack about 2k in and did a lot of headwind work solo. Caught quite a few up the steepest part of the climb (once was a good mtn runner) and past a few more on the descent.

As a side note Steve Moneghetti is all class. He is a BIG celebrity here but you'd never know it.

These small events get a big boost from his profile. This morning he turned up despite a late night (and a few beers)at a charity event. No fees, he's just another runner out there. Did the post race presentations, chats with all and sundry. Passed on his winning prize. Paid his dollar for his sausage at the BBQ and for his cuppa. No fuss, no look at me I'm famous.

Skuj wrote:

But you posted that you did 10x300m in 40sec with 100m jog recoveries. Legit 3:40 runners have claimed that they cannot do that. Some guessed 3:36 / well under 1:50 800m. I agree with them.

Discuss.

Skuj

http://www.cvrr.ca

Starter Of DYRT

Guess I should have been an 800 runner then. Ha, ha! Seriously though, nothing "world class" here, so you can find someone else to stalk. I'm on a new path now and may never step foot on that old one again. We'll see.

May I also remind you what the "Y" in DYRT stands for. We want to hear about YOUR running. It's always nice to have comments from one runner to another, but obsessing about someone's workout is unhealthy for you and this thread. Let's try to keep on task here. (May I also suggest you lose your little "Starter" closing. It's really not appropriate for several reasons, including the fact that this is a communal thread with no one of exclusive position.)

Today's plans include an easy run of undetermined length. I want to see how I feel after yesterday's longer run and will play this one by ear. I'll report back later.

Keep up the good work, all!

So after a long time off of this thread, I'm gonna hop back on board.

I stopped posting a while back after being sidelined with an injury that happened while doing something completely unrelated to running, but managed to lay me off for about a month. I started to get rolling again towards the end of January, and am back to hitting the miles, and being better about workouts, and am trying to figure out a race schedule at this point. As for the running part, I'll just start with today.

20 miles, first 9 at around 6:40 pace, next 4 at 5:40 just to get the legs moving fast, and the average for the last 11 was 6:05. First time running 20 miles, and it felt great! Looking forward to a good spring racing season.