tony young kicks ass. masters world best.
tony young kicks ass. masters world best.
Very good wrote:
Galen is impressive, but he still didn't run as fast as Josh McDougal in the 3000 today. Galen with all his professional coaching and state of the art gadgets and training facility still can't top Josh who trains alone, goes to school full time, and isn't being catered to with coaching, facilities, training and racing schedule, etc. It makes one wonder what Josh could do with Galen's set up.
The biggest gadgets are his legs, lungs, and dedication. On the one hand, I sort of see what you're saying, but generally speaking, I think this argument is old and tired. There is a point where, unless you're cheating, no one should really care why you're as fast as you are. This isn't a knock on McDougal at all, as I think right now he is as fast or faster than Rupp. However, Josh chose to go and run at Liberty. For him, training alone seems to work just fine. Each person has to make a decision about what is best for them as a person and runner, and I believe both guys have.
Both Galen and McDougal are exceptional runners and they've beaten each other in turn many times. McDougal is a year and two months older than Galen, yes. But Steve Prefontaine beat Frank Shorter in a two mile race when the former was in HS and the latter was in college (and Shorter and Pre graduated the same year so they never competed against each other collegiately). Shorter went on to two Olympic medals--the gold in in 1972.
Dathan has beaten Jorge. Jorge has beaten Dathan. Dathan almost beat Bob Kennedy once. Jorge has beaten Alistair Cragg, but I doubt that Dathan could beat Cragg right now. Age, to a degree, is irrelevant at this level. Both Galen and McDougal are of college age--especially when there is such a tendency to redshirt and extend collegiate eligability. They were both juniors in 2004 and only one of them is a junior this year. Neither will be a junior next year. They are, essentially, contemporaries, and by McDougal's college entry date he is a freshman. He's on the old side, but this isn't like high school where there is a separate 9th grade mile to spare you from the big boys (at that level it's completely appropriate). At some level it doesn't matter. Yeah, he's a year older. In their running careers they are each approximately at the same point in their development (in the long run--I'm not focusing on who is peaking when). For the next 10 years or so it won't matter how old each of them is. Once their bodies slow down it may show itself--but look at Tony Young--it may not. Age certainly matters, but at their ages Bekele was shaming most of Ethiopia's most elite senior men. Keep that in mind.
yeah nobody was saying anything about Kennedy being older when he was kicking Goucher's ass. And the same about Goucher kicking Kennedy's ass.
Rupp has been running now for four years, since his freshmen year in HS, Mcdougal has been running since elementary school, now compare them. Galen has more room for improvement.
great run tony! jt
Tony you da man!
Roger Bannister's time.
Be careful, Dave Taylor in the UK is a pretty damn good master. While being a vet he has run sub 3:50 for 1500m and sub 13:50 a few times. Won both events at European masters last year, he's pretty good. Still regularly lays a beating on the young guys over there.
jorvack wrote:
tony young kicks ass. masters world best.
Again I echo the praise for Tony Young, 4:05.51 wowser!
arent both of them peaking for the same thing: world xc championships?
Why don't we just enjoy the fact that Rupp and McDougal are two young talents with great futures without tearing one down to validate the others accomplishments. They are both taking different approaches that seem to be working for both of them right now. Maybe these kids can run with the Africans soon.
Good to see that Goucher is healty and able to run hard again. Rupp is a great young talent. High 7:50's, however, is a long way from world class. Those are good times for someone planning to race the marathon but for guys focused on the track those times will not cut it. Having said that, they are focused on world cross from what I understand, and those times are good if they have been focused primarily on building strength for cross. Rupp is running the 4K at worlds I assume?
Vipam wrote:
15min
because the point was made by me, now watch how many respond to me saying this!
VIPAM
Not from me man. Don't ever want to get banned again. I truly went through withdrawal during my month away from the boards.
Vipam:
McDougal is also in training for the Senior World's in cross. Remember he only finished 2 seconds behind goucher in the trials.
Tony is Freak of Nature! He sucks in XC but seems to Own the Oval against any of his peers. Blown away! Goucher's double is nice too!
Rupp is running the 8k Juniors at Worlds.
Spokanite wrote:
Good to see that Goucher is healty and able to run hard again. Rupp is a great young talent. High 7:50's, however, is a long way from world class. Those are good times for someone planning to race the marathon but for guys focused on the track those times will not cut it. Having said that, they are focused on world cross from what I understand, and those times are good if they have been focused primarily on building strength for cross. Rupp is running the 4K at worlds I assume?
Tony turns 43 next month. And a year DOES make a difference at his level. Go TY!!!
I didn't realize Josh McDougal had gone under 8-minutes. What's his 3000 PR?
Also, I'm pretty sure McDougal is only 7-months older than Rupp.
quote]Roy Firestone ESPN wrote:
Wow, I was just looking through the results and Tony Young ran 4:05 at 42 years old. That is impressive.[/quote]
That is a new indoor american masters record by about 6 seconds!![