14 Dead at Batman Movie

I LOVE COLLEGE wrote:

There would be no chance for the average person, even a skilled 'marksman' to react under extreme stress and take the guy down.

Correct. With the element of surprise (and in this case, body armour and tear gas), several people will still be killed before anyone has time to react. While people can debate carrying weapons (and associated risk vs. reward) as a "right," a fully-armed citizen population is still not an end-all sustainable solution to all criminal acts.

I don't think you'd want a bystander firing in the middle of a dark theater while impaired by tear gas. That's like friendly fire 101 right there.

I agree with "Ho hum" but I wonder if a few shots towards the ceiling would scare someone off??That's more of a question so let me rephrase it: does anyone think that a few shots towards the ceiling would be enough to scare off this guy or another perpator like him?

Ho hum wrote:

I don't think you'd want a bystander firing in the middle of a dark theater while impaired by tear gas. That's like friendly fire 101 right there.

How many would have died if everyone in the audience had been wearing body armor and gas masks? Maybe a better solution to violent crime isn't arming the public, it's armoring them.

I <3 Tacos wrote:

Wwbattt wrote:

You are delusional.

You think that a guy with two guns at once would not be able to shoot you at close range? And close range with the element of surprise? You do not need to worry about accuracy when you are close range.

Can you read? Nowhere did I say someone with two guns can't hit you, I said you are more likely to take a bullet from a shooter with one gun. And he's not sneaking up right behind EVERYONE in the theater at the same time. Good god man you're the same kind of person that asks why didn't the police just shoot the guy in the leg? this isn't the matrix or die hard.

Yes I can read. Can you think? In close range, a person with two guns will have just as much hit accuracy as a person with one gun. The person with one gun will have higher accuracy if the goal is to hit a specific body part. But that is irrelevant. The thing with human bodies is that if you hit them ANYWHERE with a bullet you have succeeded. And that was exactly what the shooter was doing - trying to shoot as many people as possible. NOT trying to shoot the nails off of their fingers from 100 ft away.

So again. They will have the same accuracy with one gun or two of their goal is to simply make contact.

Yes, I'm pretty sure he snuck up on everyone at the same time. Did you watch the simulation? He wasn't behind them, but they didn't see it coming. Same difference.

i live in boulder so this is pretty close to home. i decided against seeing the midnight showing. now i don't know if i will ever see one again for movies like this, brings the freaks out

I <3 Tacos wrote:

Can you read? Nowhere did I say someone with two guns can't hit you, I said you are more likely to take a bullet from a shooter with one gun. And he's not sneaking up right behind EVERYONE in the theater at the same time. Good god man you're the same kind of person that asks why didn't the police just shoot the guy in the leg? this isn't the matrix or die hard.

Please, please. Just stay inside playing Call of Duty and keep your Rambo fantasies there. You weren't there and if you were you'd probably be pooping your pants. The theatre is close to an Army base and there were likely military members in the theatre who couldn't stop him.

OK, Have it Your Way — Reflections on a Very Dark (K)night

Gun control, no. Death penalty, yes.

darkstar wrote:

Except he was wearing bulletproof gear and a bulletproof riot mask. Good luck with that one.

Apparently you don't know what happens when a bullet strikes a bulletproof vest/Mask.

harold callahan wrote:

trance dance turn in shawowski wrote:

With this said, I don't know enough about armor/ballistics to know what a bullet from a bystander could do to him.

I do know a 44 Magnum is the most powerful handgun in the world and could blow his head clean off.

That was dirty

realamericanhero wrote:

Please, please. Just stay inside playing Call of Duty and keep your Rambo fantasies there. You weren't there and if you were you'd probably be pooping your pants. The theatre is close to an Army base and there were likely military members in the theatre who couldn't stop him.

Rambo fantasies? Haha it's my job bro. And yes three we're at least three military personal at the theater, none were armed.

If every responsible competent citizen were armed there would still be just as many incompetent nutjobs armed. This whole argument from the gun people pisses me off. We are a free country. We want Americans to be free and this is the stuff that is going to happen from time to time. Once every 2-3 years some nutjob is going to blow away 5-30 of our citizens.

This guy had weapons no normal citizen outside the military should have any need to. But of course the gun people are making sure our free citizens are able to keep that stockpile when they feel the need to go to war with the government.

I agree on your made-up numbers regarding the inevitable future timeline of these kind of events. Realistically, maybe those are the numbers we need to come to terms with considering our current population-set and inherent freedoms.Questions: -Are populations of people always going to have fringe outliers that are capable of this sort of action? Let's say its 0.01% of the population has the possible inclination for this kind of behaviour. Do you think 0.01% is an accurate percentage? -If we could subdue this population, should we? -Does this subset potentially present any related attributes that are valued in our society?

break it up wrote:

If every responsible competent citizen were armed there would still be just as many incompetent nutjobs armed. This whole argument from the gun people pisses me off. We are a free country. We want Americans to be free and this is the stuff that is going to happen from time to time. Once every 2-3 years some nutjob is going to blow away 5-30 of our citizens.

This guy had weapons no normal citizen outside the military should have any need to. But of course the gun people are making sure our free citizens are able to keep that stockpile when they feel the need to go to war with the government.

And what I mean by "always have fringe outliers" is that are these occurrences the inevitable result of "bad genetic wiring" or can we educate or reform our society in such a way that these individuals don't behave this way.

Sorry to get philosophical on you all but I think these sort of issues need to be thought about before we create or not create policy.

I <3 Tacos wrote:

Rambo fantasies? Haha it's my job bro. And yes three we're at least three military personal at the theater, none were armed.

I love that the guy who wrote "Can you read?" followed it up with an illegible post.

Condolences to all the grieving families and friends. Very sad.

Armed and dangerous wrote:

Not Enough Guns! wrote:

If only people had been packing heat in the movie theater yesterday, they could have dropped the shooter.

And that's assuming that the second shooter doesn't accidentally hit others as well.

The argument against armed bystanders is that statistically speaking, the number of deaths from mad gunmen prevented would be less than the number of accidental deaths caused by people carrying guns. What's better?

Been thru this bull a thousand times. Every day in this country 10 to 16 incidents occur where a person uses a gun to defend himself..or herself from an intruder, burglar, armed robber, rapist. You name it. All documented all good shootings. Thing is none are put out by the press. EVER! Why is that Mr. Liberal. As usual smoke and mirrors and lies. Just make up your dream world and lie like Pelosi, Hillary, Osama, and cigar Bill.

Nope!@ wrote:

Been thru this bull a thousand times. Every day in this country 10 to 16 incidents occur where a person uses a gun to defend himself..or herself from an intruder, burglar, armed robber, rapist. You name it. All documented all good shootings. Thing is none are put out by the press. EVER! Why is that Mr. Liberal. As usual smoke and mirrors and lies. Just make up your dream world and lie like Pelosi, Hillary, Osama, and cigar Bill.

Did they use ak-47s?