Never going to happen, retard boy.
Never going to happen, retard boy.
Rupp did not "rig up like a marionette in the last 100" He ran away from Kenenisa Bekele and closed on Isaiah Koech... a 12:53 man INDOORS.
He will break 12:50 at some point.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:puts it up here as if it is a definitive source.well
it gives
3'29.74 / 12'39.74 as
7'20.18
obviously, just a lucky shot...
Yes, and I've seen you use your calculator to predict a couple dozen runners who could have run <12:50 in the past few years, as opposed to the 0 runners who have actually hit that time.
Anyway, Rupp will not be getting faster in the 1500m this year. That is not how Salazar's training system works.
Mr. Obvious wrote:Anyway, Rupp will not be getting faster in the 1500m this year. That is not how Salazar's training system works.
Getting faster and running faster aren't the same thing. Rupp barely lost in a 1500, running the pace the race was at. I would not have been surprised if the race was a few tics faster, that he would have run 3:33 on the same day. It's not like he finished 8th and finished 4 seconds behind the winner. He couldn't outkick them, but he managed the pace the entire way and was with them at the end.
I thought after that race he was more of a 3:33/12:52/26:35 guy now. His 5k reiterated my feelings as he was obviously not maxed out at 12:58, just couldn't close with the best. I don't think he'll go 12:45 this year even with a perfect race, but i do think he'll go where no American has ever gone if he gets in the right race.
That said i don't like Lagat for obvious reason to some, but at this best he was def a low 12:40 guy. Still blown away at him running 12:59 closing in 51.9 to beat Bekele years ago. Rupp might break his record, but IMO he'd need to run like a 12:42 to be as good as Lagat was at his best....or run a 12:59 closing in 51.9.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Gonna have to call BS wrote:You would be a bit more convincing if you took a few hundred randomly selected athletes and analyzed the accuracy of calculator based on their times.To pick out one data point and say "see, it works" is almost beyond-belief stupid.
how about this guy with some decent 2k/3ks ( check his positions on all-time list - he ran his 3k off a 5'00+ split ) ?
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/biographies/letter=0/athcode=131970/index.html49.5/1'45.6 ->
3'29.3
4'45.9
7'23.2
12'49.1
maybe just a 2nd lucky shot...
Did you really just try to justify your, ahem, calculator with a second carefully selected data point after I pointed out how moronic it was to claim something based on a carefully selected data point?
Did you really just do that?
OMFG! I used to think that you were a clown. Now you have proven that I was far to optimistic.
HJMFC!
Mrr82 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Anyway, Rupp will not be getting faster in the 1500m this year. That is not how Salazar's training system works.Getting faster and running faster aren't the same thing. Rupp barely lost in a 1500, running the pace the race was at. I would not have been surprised if the race was a few tics faster, that he would have run 3:33 on the same day. It's not like he finished 8th and finished 4 seconds behind the winner. He couldn't outkick them, but he managed the pace the entire way and was with them at the end.
I thought after that race he was more of a 3:33/12:52/26:35 guy now. His 5k reiterated my feelings as he was obviously not maxed out at 12:58, just couldn't close with the best. I don't think he'll go 12:45 this year even with a perfect race, but i do think he'll go where no American has ever gone if he gets in the right race.
That is quicker than what I would give him credit for, but I could be wrong and you may be right.
What I don't believe is that just because Rupp ran 3:34 (and possibly worth 3:33) and he has not hit his peak for the year (aiming for Olympic games) that he will necessarily be in 3:32 or 3:31 shape by the games, which is what Ventolin wants to give him "credit" for on his calculator.
Rupp and Salazar have a well established methodology of working to improve Rupp's speed with shorter races in Indoor and early in the outdoor season. As the season goes on they focus him more on the specific training to run his best 10000m. I would personally think it is more likely that his speed would be slightly less by August than it is today.
El Guerrouj runs a 57.9 lap at the beginning of the video (1400-1800m) then next 200m 29ish. Second kilometre in 2:26.3 I think (you can hardly see it). Komen's first kilometre I get as around 2:26.5. He runs a 57.9 lap between 1000 and 1400m.
But okay, now I expect at least a sub 12:55 from Rupp. He should be able to run at least within 10 seconds of his potential ;-)
With a 12:51.00 you can place outside the medals, as shown by fastest 4th place ever by Ebuya in Brussels 2007.
Bronze medalist in Beijing, Edwin Cheruiyot Soi has a PB of 12:52.40. But if Bekele is out of it that might not be needed. Actually, that Birmingham race of Rupp is still his best race, and this was in England in conditions you might have in London.
Lt's just all admit for once and all, Galen Rupp has surprised everyone with what he has accomplished to date. Why should we doubt that he will stop achieving now and in the future?
Correct, but he was easily passed by the kenyen runner and only managed to beat an INJURY prone bekele (without any speedwork) by like 2 freaking seconds. That's not all that impressive to me. Wake me up when Rupp starts convincingly beating his training partner and bernard lagat. Not a runner who is injury prone and out of his prime.
Why are so many of you fixated on what Rupp can run the last lap in. This has absolutely nothing to do with his PR limits. Rupp is a lot like Paula Radcliff. She couldn't out kick anyone. But she could run away from most. When was the last time we saw someone simply run away from Rupp. They out kick him, sure. But no one runs away from him. The fact is, whatever the pace is, is what he runs. He needs to get in a 5k where they are running 2:33-34 per k for us to really know what his limits are. Hopefully he'll get in a real fast race this year, and we can see what he can do when he has to hold his redline for a long time.
Pre is my favorite wrote:
Rupp did not "rig up like a marionette in the last 100" He ran away from Kenenisa Bekele and closed on Isaiah Koech... a 12:53 man INDOORS.
He will break 12:50 at some point.
I like Rupp, but c'mon. He did not "run away" from Kenenisa Bekele, they ran exactly the same last lap. I'd hardly call getting passed with 300m to go and gaining on in the last 100m "closed on." Galen is great, one of the best Americans of all time, but there is no way he'll break 12:50 in his career. Realize only 10 people have actually run sub- 12:50 and 5/10 of them only did because they had Bekele or Gebrelassie running even more ridiculous times. That isn't happening now.
Actually, that is "closing on". The fact is he didn't go early enough and had more left than he thought he would in the last 100. And look at all the incredible runners he beat in the race.
Bekele also kicked too late but Rupp pulled away from him as well. Seriously, I'll bump this thread when he breaks 12:50. He'll probably do it this year, and if not he will DEFINITELY do it next year with no championships to get in his way.
Actually, that is "closing on". The fact is he didn't go early enough and had more left than he thought he would in the last 100. And look at all the incredible runners he beat in the race.
Bekele also kicked too late but Rupp pulled away from him as well. Seriously, I'll bump this thread when he breaks 12:50. He'll probably do it this year, and if not he will DEFINITELY do it next year with no championships to get in his way.
Meh... wrote:You get pilloried for this
stuff because the numbers are fudged
nonsense
You obviously get a big kick out of peoples' reactions to your posts
no
You honestly thinking that Galen Rupp is capable of running 12:44? I mean really, dude, this is troll material
idiot
his coach is aiming for 12'45
he's not wrong
He has run 12:58 rigging up like a marionette in the last 100m, which indicates his speed is lacking in a big way in comparison to the top Africans
& he's not peaked yet
ever see komen who ran 12'39 & got enough "marionetting" in his career in last laps let alone 100 - kiptanui, geb, etc
I say that Rupp is maxed out at something like 12:55
drivel
just the wind cost him at worst 12'55
& that doesn't include slow pace ( 12'55 )/uneven laps/not peaked
he just doesn't even have the speed to be able to run 4:47
no
endurance can counter deficit
a 2k list with komen at 4'51.3 in 13th is absurdly weak - he split 4'53+ in his 7'20
That is a non-sensical,make-believe, fairy tale assumption
only for idiots lacking thought
You obviously don't understand how fast that really is
idiot
i saw virtually everyone of those races on tv
The same goes for 7:23...that is what El G ran a few days before he ran 4:44, the same year he ran 3:43 for one mile and 3:27 at the world championship
idiot
he ran suicidal 2'26/2'27 2nd k in that which killed him in the end
if he'd run sensibly, he wouda gone 7'20/7'21
remember the race ?
But here you have 51.3, 1:48.0, 3:31, and here it comes wait for it...12:44?????? Show me where has run 1:48.0?
idiot
he ran 1'49i when raw kid
don't think he's got only slightly quicker thru years of training/maturity ???
MORCELI ran 4:47 and 7:25
you see that 7'25 ???
remember he was 5'00+ then went 2'25 & 55 on last lap
he in 7'25 shape that day ?
If Galen Rupp can run 4:47 and 7:23, don't you think he could go faster than 3:31 for 1500m? More like 3:28 AT LEAST
no
morceli didn't bring 26'48 to the table to hang onto a 3'31
With your formula complete with times that Rupp has never even been close to (3:31 and 3:34 are not close to each other in terms of fitness)
learn to read
i said if he ran 3'34 of little speedwork
3'31/3'32 is possible if that is the case
you are essentially saying that he is at Geb, El G, Morceli, Komen, and Bekele's level
no
they were capable of 7'18 - 7'22
All of these men were capable for going sub 49 for 400m from a standing start, with the exception of Komen
no
komen got busted enough in slow races
& geb/kennster were no 49 guys
Rupp will never have that kind of speed, not to be a jerk, but he'll never close in 53 in a 5k race under 13:00. Morceli did it 51 in the rain
nonsense
he finished in 13'03
morceli may have been 12'52/12'53 that day flat-out
Be realistic.
i am
ventolin^3 wrote:
pure conjecture wrote:run the numbers for 3:33 and 26:40 and that's your answer.3'33/26'40 ->
4'49.5
7'25.8
12'47.2
that's not bad !
i certainly think he'' be 3'33/26'40 at bare worst later this year
I love bearwurst..sometimes tastes a bit elky though.
Mr. Obvious wrote:Yes, and I've seen you use your calculator to predict a couple dozen runners who could have run <12:50 in the past few years, as opposed to the 0 runners who have actually hit that time
impress me
what woud mo's 12'53 with a 53 be worth if he had ran even-pace for the full 12.5 laps , similar to what komen almost did in his 12'39 ???
what pace to the bell, so that he coud only manage 62 for last lap ???
Anyway, Rupp will not be getting faster in the 1500m this year. That is not how Salazar's training system works.
he certainly won't run another 1500 this year
you talk a lot about sal's regime
obviously you know it profoundly & also can guarantee whatever regime he did before has & never will change ???
Gonna have to call BS wrote:Did you really just try to justify your, ahem, calculator with a second carefully selected data point after I pointed out how moronic it was to claim something based on a carefully selected data point?
Did you really just do that?
OMFG! I used to think that you were a clown. Now you have proven that I was far to optimistic.
HJMFC!
moron
look at these
http://paularadcliffe.com/stats/in '02 she ran 14'31 in a championship with initial 600 of 1'51 & last 4400 of 12'40 with no pacing
in her book she states a 4'01tt
58.5/2'02.8 ->
4'00.2
5'26.2
8'22.0
14'23.4
29'59.2
3rd time lucky again you idiot
He's capable of faster
Doing it is a different matter
Please ban ventolin^3.
He's wholly incapable of civil interaction on this message board.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Yes, and I've seen you use your calculator to predict a couple dozen runners who could have run <12:50 in the past few years, as opposed to the 0 runners who have actually hit that timeimpress me
Why in the world would I want to spend even a second of my time trying to impress you?