Gatlin 9.87 in Doha 2012

Trolltastic wrote:

Tommy Boy wrote:

What was it that you "exactly correctly predicted"? Did you predict Gatlin would win in Doha with a 9.87 time?

Of course not, he's just trolling as usual.

I suspect Geezer really does believe that he "exactly correctly predicted" this result. Maybe if he examines the actual basis for this belief he will come to see deluded he is

Awesome wrote:

If Gatlin medals and then has it taken away so will all of the other medalists and finalists. Why so much hate on these boards for Gatlin?

Do you need to ask?

me, March 10: "He is in low-9.90 form RIGHT NOW, in MARCH."

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4486034&page=0

me, March 11: "Watching that kind of late acceleration, I would say that he has an excellent shot at mid-9.8x this summer, a very good shot at making the olympic team, and a decent shot at making the final."

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4486034&page=1

And there are other places.

And, I do believe that Powell has a good finish, it's just not AS good as Bolt, Gatlin, or Blake; even Lemaitre will gain on him over the last 30m, and maybe Dix. Remember, Dix is the guy who ran down Gatlin at last year's nationals (although Gatlin wasn't leaning or driving, he thought he had already won).

I don't think you can underestimate Blake's finish. When that guy winds up, he is GONE, like Gay. I still think Bolt has the highest absolute top speed, but I think that over the 100m, the speed endurance of all the big guns is equal, except for Powell. IMHO, as I have said many times before, he will NEVER get that speed endurance if he doesn't change his top-speed form. Never. Powell needs to gain in his absolute top speed, maintain near his absolute top speed for just a bit longer, between 55-75, get that little bump in the middle of the race like Bolt does, that separation, to make everybody play catch-up, because d is right, as soon as he gets passed, he takes his foot off the gas.

Also, I'm not totally convinced that Gatlin will get much faster over the course of the season, although I hope that I'm wrong. I'd like to see a breakdown of this race, compared to his 9.76/9.77, to see where he was better back then, to see where he can be expected to improve. I actually like the fact that he seemed to get up a bit early, I just didn't like the suddenness of it.

And I think his drive phase was actually really good, if not great--he was ahead of Clarke, just behind Carter, and a bit behind Powell, who is maybe the best ever.

I also wonder if Powell could hold on longer if he held 1% back at the start. He could ease off just a bit, and might still be up with the best, even though he was bested in the drive phase in Berlin by both Bolt and Gay.

Gatlin's success and progression since his return have been nothing short of phenomenal. He could have won nationals last year, he won indoor worlds, and he's among the leaders outdoors this year, close to his possibly-clean PR, in May.

2 things: how do we know that the Doha timing and wind measurement are accurate? By the looks of the other runners, it seems to have been reasonable. 9.87/9.88 for the first 2 spots is unbelievable.

And the last thing is, how do we know that Gatlin is clean? Remember Johnson's return? He maintained that he was clean, too. Bottom line: we don't know, we have no way of knowing...but the same thing applies to all the other athletes, too.

And I hold Bolt to the same standard as Gatlin, and am glad that he is competing, of course. Gatlin is in my advanced-standard group, as I believe that androgenic effects of 'roids have lasting benefit...as some other guys on this board have said, once a doper, always a doper...I would change that to "Once a doper, always doped."

I still think that Bolt and Blake are ahead of everyone. So far, this has to be the best year ever in the men's 100m at this point, with 4 guys seriously in the 9.8's, and Dix a windy 9.8x.

Holy crap, the new era is in full flower.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

2) Carter looks relatively weak this year, at 10.05 in a good race. He'll probably finish low 9.9x, as he always does, and will struggle mightily to even make the Jamaican team in the open 100.

3) Clarke looked surprisingly good, he broke 10.00 for the first time, and it would have been a 9.90 with a good wind. That's solid, he could prove to be a good relay leadoff runner. I think he is maxxed-out, though.

2)You said at Istanbul WIC's that this could be a "breakthrough year" for Nesta.

3)Not at all. Lerone's PB was in fact 9.99, from 2008 if I recall correctly.

Whaaat? wrote:

He did his time... wrote:

Fvck the haters and Fvck letsrun, he deserves everything he's worked for, it's no wonder anybody who reads this stupid sh!t hates this website..[quote]s.mouse wrote:

If you love the sport, you would not be rooting for this guy. This is quite shameful for the U.S. and T&F. He can't stand on a podium without invoking thoughts and comments about the biggest doping scandal that almost did in the sport.

I guarantee you that if he was was from Jamaica, you hypocrites would be ripping him a new one right now. OP has many rants accusing Bolt of being on the juice, yet he's drooling all over this convicted drug cheat. Please!

Bull shit. Mr Holier than Thou. Remember that he has always claimed innocence. His penalty was excessive and he sucked it up.

He had a crap start, nothing like his 60 Worlds run. He is rounding into shape. A P is not that bad. He can't finish like Bolt or Gatlin, but he has other aspects that are stronger. Put them altogether and he still may not win. The world isn't equal, the best guy over 100 will likely win.

All you joggers who think that any lead in a 100 is insurmountable, and if he loses it he must be a choker, are numbnuts.

There's a reason they have the finish line at 100, not at the 60. Both had great runs and they now have scores on the board.

"Ben"--Why do you insist on moving the goalposts?

Yes, I was wrong about Clarke, I thought he had been at 10m-flat. My bad.

And about Carter, I only said that we didn't know how fast he could go over 60m, because he stumbled coming out of the blocks in Istanbul, and that he might therefore have gone substantially faster. He did look very good over the first 50 in Doha, right up with Powell, the best of the best, and clearly ahead of Clarke and Gatlin until half-way.

And about Gatlin, malacoochie also predicted this: "Gatlin will run 9.8 or better. He's moving better than I ever saw him before."

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4486034&page=1

, and TrackCoach nailed it right on the head: "I would say he should be in the high 9.8s come outdoor"

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4467261&page=1

me: "RIGHT NOW, in February, he is in 9.90 shape", and "I could absolutely see him going 9.85 again, which should get him into the Olympic final"

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4467261&page=0

Sorry you're late to the party, "Ben".

Geezer.

You do see that saying someone is in low 9.90 form in March is different than "exactly correctly predicting"? Gatlin would win in Doha with a 9.87 time?

Or that saying "I would say that he has an excellent shot at mid-9.8x this summer" is not exactly correctly predicting a 9.87 at Doha?

At least I hope you do (although I am far from sure of that).

body master--

It's hard to tell from that vid what Dix is doing.

I see that 20.02 is a meet record at a good meet, so it looks to be a decent time, notwithstanding the 19.9x's that have been put up this year.

He did look to be a bit more extended maybe, like Gatlin, but at the same time he looked Dix-esque coming down the straight. He didn't seem to be leaning so far forwards as usual...maybe he's been practicing running more relaxed?

He burned the turn, but he seems to have a bit of a lag right at the end of the turn, the same spot where Blake blew him away last year. This time he looked to square his shoulders to come out of the turn a bit too early, and actually drifted almost into Ndure's lane. IDK, it seems like he flakes a bit right at the end of the turn.

As good as Gatlin is, Dix will be a threat to win trials. I don't think either of these guys should necessarily go balls-to-the-wall at nationals, unless Gay shows up in form. I don't think anybody else is near them. I think that Dix may very well PR this year in the 100m, and that both of their spots are pretty much secure.

The bad news is that Salami pulled a ham on the turn, what a f-ing drag for him. Hopefully he can rehab by the time trials come around, I thought that he might get lucky and challenge for third spot if Gay wasn't healthy, in both the 100 and the 200.

And what about Ndure? His U.S.-based training didn't seem to do him any good. His time of 20.3x was only OK, and although pretty decent for him, he still runs like Pee-Wee Herman.

Gatlin!

Moo--

Read all the posts before posting yourself.

In any case, it doesn't matter.

WTF Powell?

If you watch some of the vids on youtube, look at the slow-mo of the finish, and you will see Powell apparently stop trying as soon as Gatlin pulls alongside him.

Gatlin absolutely BLOWS by Powell in the last 15m.

At first I wondered if Gatlin found something special, but in the zoomed-out view, you can see that even Rodgers was gaining substantially on Powell at the finish.

Powell looked disoriented after the finish, but it's hard to imagine that he didn't know what he was doing, that he didn't shut it down knowingly.

If he runs through the line, he runs a 9.85-9.86 I believe that he was physically capable of having done that, but mentally incapable.

FVCK Gatlin? No, FVCK Powell! That guy has SO much talent it is insane. WHAT A FLAKE! He gives up and he doesn't even know it? Is he having an out-of-body experience? Is he totally dissociative?

ARRRRGGGHHH!!

Just once this year I'd like to see him beat somebody significant in a tough race, like he did last year at Jamaican nationals. That was his finest hour, IMHO.

I know it doesn't mean anything given how early it is in the season, but Gatlin's 9.87 puts him right in the thick of things at the top of the rankings, with the big names.

If they all improve similarly and remain uninjured, we will see them all in the final in London.

Bolt 9.82 (+1.8) = 9.90

Asafa 9.88 (+0.4) = 9.90

Gatlin 9.87 (+0.4) = 9.89

Blake 9.84 (+.05) = 9.86

Why he MUST beat Bolt or Blake? Maybe they're faster than Asafa. Period. But he won the Bronze in 9.84 at Berlin 2009. Faster than Gatlin in Athens 2004. In fact, Gatlin NEVER ran 9.84 legal!!!

Oh...wait! He ran 9.77 doped to the gills!!!

Not sure the feed for that race was great one. They all looked sluggish, which I think was an artifact of the film. It looked like an early race and I think Gatlin will get better. I don't think Powell is the choker everyone thinks but I do think he doesn't make the adjustments, or settle himself at the end of his race like a guy like Gatlin or Bolt.

At the start of the race the thinking has been done in training. Its automatic. At the end of the race its live, and he isn't good at that. He's still a great runner, but as in the Highlander, there can be only one.

Geezer, you are a complete idiot if you think Gatlin running 0.04 faster would have made the Jamaicans "shit their pants". No difference.

Secondly, f*uck Gatlin and his cheating. I don't care if he is only one of few to be caught, no cheaters deserve anything. They should be trown out for life and to give back every single medal they have won internationally + all the prize money.

You hit the nail on the head there. Asafa is always a bundle of nerves at any event. He's his own worst enemy and is mentally the opposite of Bolt, who revels in the spotlight to a fault. A huge percentage of Jamaican fans express the same frustration with Powell.

When Dix runs the 200m he looks like he is working so hard to control the c-force coming off the turn that almost veres out of his lane. By the time he collects himself, he has given away a 10th. This could also be a problem if he runs the 3rd leg on the 4x1.

Besides Gatlin and Gay, dix has the best top end speed but relatively poor acceleration, a rolling start will help but I doubt he'll run anything but the final leg.

Mr. Moo wrote:

Geezer.

You do see that saying someone is in low 9.90 form in March is different than "exactly correctly predicting"? Gatlin would win in Doha with a 9.87 time?

At least I hope you do (although I am far from sure of that).

FMD you're a tough lot on LR. Please keep posting Mr Geezer and giving us an insight in to the sprinting world.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Moo--

Read all the posts before posting yourself.

In any case, it doesn't matter.

Incapable of admitting your post was in error?

Or incapable of seeing it?

Only you know for sure