Ranking the Ivy League Schools Academically

Let's assess them by their graduates. How does the writing ability of Wejo/Rojo compare to that of Ryan Hall? Seems like a wash as they are both horrendous.

incognito wrote:

So if you added Stanford to the Ivy list, where would it rank - real and perceived?

stanford would be with HYP in terms of pecking order. there are a lot of people who chose stanford over yale and princeton every year. i would be curious to know how many people who get into both stanford and harvard choose stanford absent financial reasons.

buffet rule not wrote:

stanford would be with HYP in terms of pecking order. there are a lot of people who chose stanford over yale and princeton every year. i would be curious to know how many people who get into both stanford and harvard choose stanford absent financial reasons.

Can't help you directly, but I got into Stanford (and Caltech) and decided to attend Cornell...

buffet rule not wrote:

stanford would be with HYP in terms of pecking order. there are a lot of people who chose stanford over yale and princeton every year. i would be curious to know how many people who get into both stanford and harvard choose stanford absent financial reasons.

I knew some athletes who were originally on the Stanford waiting list and got accepted in Harvard, but then went to Stanford once they got off the waiting list. I think the idea was that Stanford had a stronger athletic reputation than the Ivies (I don't know what the money situations were for those athletes though)

This post asks us to rank the Ivy ACADEMICALLY. I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.

However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.

If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.

1. Harvard

2. Princeton

3. Columbia

4. Yale

5. Cornell

6. Upenn

XX. Brown

XXX. Dartmouth

This post asks us to rank the Ivy ACADEMICALLY. I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.1. Harvard2. Princeton3. Columbia4. Yale5. Cornell6. UpennXX. BrownXXX. Dartmouth

Where did you get the reputation like that? Again, if you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. Specifically, Times has reputation rank for world universities. I do not think that foreigners will have so much bias like you when doing the reputation rank. I can tell you that the rank is mostly something like this BY ANY MEASURE:

1. Harvard

2. Yale

3. Princeton

4. Columbia

5. Cornell

6. Upenn

XX. Brown

XXX. Dartmouth

Cornell is never below Upenn, and Brown and Dartmouth are not on the same level as ALL OF 6 OTHER UNIVERSITIES.

If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.

Note for those who think the BrosJo are representative of their respective undergrad schools (which I think is silly, but whatever): RoJo went to Princeton and WeJo attended Yale.

BTW I'm one of those who turned down Stanford for a "lesser" Ivy, because the latter had the best program for my individual academic interests. (And Stanford had actually offered a slightly better financial-aid package!) I definitely feel that I made the right choice, too.

Does "academically" mean quality of faculty and their impact on their field, or the quality of the education one receives? If it's the latter, then Princeton is easily ahead of Harvard. I didn't go to either for undergrad, but I have literally dozens of friends who did, and the consensus is that Princeton was a lot more work. Less grade inflation and longer papers.

If you want to be an accountant your much better off at U of Illinois, Texas or Brigham young, by a looong shot.

Varies by discipline, as everywhere. Rankings are for football. US News and W R doesn't measure either faculty or student quality.

I took calculus II & III as an undergrad at Yale, and it was terrible. I could barely understand the teaching assistant, and from the way he taught I assume it was his first or second teaching gig ever.

At age 30 I decided to change careers and needed to go back to take some undergrad-level math and statistics courses. I'd completely forgotten calculus so I started again at calc I. The courses were at a local state university. I had the same instructor for calc I & II, and a different person for calc III. Both instructors were excellent. They were professional teachers, things were clear. I couldn't have enjoyed it more.

Same subjects, much superior learning experience at the state school. The prestige of a university does not necessarily correlate to quality of education, at least for lower level courses.

I will say that as a senior at Yale I was able to take a class taught by a Nobel Prize winner in chemistry. That was pretty neat.

An accountant wrote:

If you want to be an accountant your much better off at U of Illinois, Texas or Brigham young, by a looong shot.

Though, as you demonstrate, the state schools generally do a much poorer job teaching things like writing.

Lol.......someone went to Cornell. References to reputation are social, not academic. I think there is a fairly broad consensus that Cornell is considered to be the least prestigious of the Ivies. Anecdotally, I recently took one of my kids on a college tour of Cornell and thought the place was awful.....felt like a state school. In addition to including Stanford & MIT in the same tier as HYP, I would throw in Williams, Amherst & Pomona.

This is such a ridiculously absurd list, for a few reasons: Yale is overrated, Dartmouth, Penn, and Cornell are underrated.

1. Princeton

2. Harvard (may as well be tied with Princeton, to be honest, but don't want to do USNews tricks).

3. Penn

4. Columbia

5. Cornell

6. Dartmouth

7. Yale

8. Brown

you're being absurd if we are talking undergrad education.

Yes, Harvard and Cornell are better universities than Dartmouth. If you include grad students.

But if we are talking strictly undergrad, harvard isn't that great. Look at reviews - as an undergrad no one cares about you and get too many carp teachers who don't care about teaching.

it doesn't help you learn frosh chemistry if a Nobel winner is on the faculty.

So schools like Dartmouth and P'ton can be way better than HYP when it comes to actual education. I'm not sure why anything else matters.

if you are a grad student...that nobel chem guy does make a difference.

Dartmouth Medical, Business, and Engineering schools are outstanding.

...and the undergraduate education is unmatched.

Dartmouth is the smallest Ivy, which hurts it for USNews-type ranking systems, which have a large basis in total funding. However, its cozy size is also what makes it education so outstanding, both on an undergraduate and graduate level. The surrounding scenery and nature are beautiful. It is truly a gem of an institution.