Like others have said, the decision is subjective depending on how good of a runner he is. If he is a semi-pro elite runner entering a large race with really good prize money, then you let him race and keep him on staff as not many high schools have elite coaches. However, if he is a 20+ minute 5k runner entering a local fun run, he should be cut from the team, especially if it is a pattern.
This sort of thing should have been worked out in advance.
But, as a former post collegiate athlete, I remember delaying coaching because my observation was that too many coaches were short changing the kids by competing. Yes, it is one thing if they are an Olympic trials caliber athlete, but most aren't and could just schedule meets or road races that don't coincide with the team schedule.
sc runner wrote:
Like others have said, the decision is subjective depending on how good of a runner he is. If he is a semi-pro elite runner entering a large race with really good prize money, then you let him race and keep him on staff as not many high schools have elite coaches. However, if he is a 20+ minute 5k runner entering a local fun run, he should be cut from the team, especially if it is a pattern.
Agreed.
I also think it depends on the level of staffing of the team. Some high school coaching staffs consist of a head coach and one assistant. Other teams have a head coach, a distance coach, a hurdle coach, a pole vault coach, a throws coach, a jumps coach, and a few volunteers to help out.
If the absence of one coach means that you'll have 6 coaches instead of 7, it's really no big deal. If the absence of one coach means that the head coach is going to have to run the whole show himself, then it's a bigger issue.
He is an ok local runner mid 17's 5k. We have a head distance coach, and this guy helps him out, but gets paid. Other instances include showing up to practice, and going out and running on his own, while the distance crew was practicing on the track.
The team doesn't really need an assistant distance coach, but the guy was here last year so we decided to let him come back.
bewildered wrote:
He is an ok local runner mid 17's 5k. We have a head distance coach, and this guy helps him out, but gets paid. Other instances include showing up to practice, and going out and running on his own, while the distance crew was practicing on the track.
The team doesn't really need an assistant distance coach, but the guy was here last year so we decided to let him come back.
Have you ever talked to the guy about it? You can't complain about the situation unless the guy actually knows he is doing something wrong.
I feel like assistant coach at my high school just meant the local college kid who went on long runs and the occasional tempo with the team.
bewildered wrote:
He is an ok local runner mid 17's 5k. We have a head distance coach, and this guy helps him out, but gets paid. Other instances include showing up to practice, and going out and running on his own, while the distance crew was practicing on the track.
The team doesn't really need an assistant distance coach, but the guy was here last year so we decided to let him come back.
So?????
The guy is helping out with the team, not giving up his life to do exactly everything that you want him to do for you.
If he's helping out sometimes then that can fill in the gaps. If you want people just there to put in the hours then that's different, find people to do that.
I have always felt better being productive with less time, than spending a lot of time slogging around doing nothing.
But to each, their own.
J.R. wrote:
So?????
The guy is helping out with the team, not giving up his life to do exactly everything that you want him to do for you.
Do you approach your own job with the same attitude?
What will happen with the extra money you will save next year when he is no longer a coach?
An assistant distance coach doesn't have many responsibilities during the average day. Two paid distance coaches has to be quite rare. It seems like a waste of the track budget as is. If you gave him some more random duties maybe some of the paperwork it might make both of you more comfortable with the situation. If he doesn't want to do any extra tasks then it is a bit of a waste of the budget.
u sound like a good employee wrote:
Do you approach your own job with the same attitude?
Yes of course, I run my business the same way.
It's not a job for me though, it's called doing what I love to do with my life.
J.R. wrote:
Yes of course, I run my business the same way.
It's not a job for me though, it's called doing what I love to do with my life.
I'm sure your clients/customers appreciate it when they've paid you to do a job and you go for a run instead.
I bet you're successful wrote:
I'm sure your clients/customers appreciate it when they've paid you to do a job and you go for a run instead.
I don't do jobs for people.
I leave that to dumb shits like you, who can't do anything else.
J.R. wrote:
I don't do jobs for people.
I leave that to dumb shits like you, who can't do anything else.
So you're unemployed? That's really the only way to "not do jobs for people."
are you a welfare queen? wrote:
So you're unemployed? That's really the only way to "not do jobs for people."
Oh I'm well employed, by doing things that I love.
Are you writing a book?
I am sure that he will be heart broken, as we all know the glory that comes from being an assistant to the assistant coach in charge of distance events (who gets paid less than he spends in gas).
He'll probably cry for days.
As a previous poster pointed out, the bigger problem the team might have is that the head coach discusses team issues on public message boards. Now that sounds like the bigger problem here.
jaygeta wrote:
When you begin coaching it outweighs your own running, he needs a priority check as the athletes races are greater than his(or should be). I would talk to him, if it continues do a 1 warning or yer done...then get rid of him.
Can the athletes not run on their own if this assistant coach isn't around? WTF, how does it impact the runners. Our HS coach generally has conflicts at least once a year with XC races where he misses part or all of a meet. No biggee. Everyone on the team respects him as a coach and a runner. If nothing, they respect him more since he is a serious runner himself (as fast).