All it takes is one soccer mom texting?
You're blaming the cyclist for a poor driver?
All it takes is one soccer mom texting?
You're blaming the cyclist for a poor driver?
The police caught the guy. No wonder he fled the scene.
Yes, please! For the next moron that talks about cyclists running stop signs, ask if him if he ALWAYS drives the speed limit or below. That normally shuts them up.
asdfsdafsd wrote:
I am not even a cyclist and I think you are an idiot.
Next time you are hit running, don't come crying to us.
Wow so it's okay for cyclists to run over runners, because you're so superior!
unconscionable arrogance wrote:
asdfsdafsd wrote:I am not even a cyclist and I think you are an idiot.
Next time you are hit running, don't come crying to us.
Wow so it's okay for cyclists to run over runners, because you're so superior!
Pretty sure he meant 'next time you get hit by a car while running, don't come crying, because you seem to have no sympathy when that happened to this cyclist.'
Raymond Poincare wrote:
Spare me the cars vs. cyclist arguments. There are bad drivers who don't follow traffic laws. There are bad cylists who don't follow traffic laws.
Yes, please. Spare us your false equivalencies.
Your comment would be reasonable if there were bikers who biked in a way to endanger the lives of drivers but not their own lives (for example if their bikes were covered in landmines and they were wearing protective suits, so the driver would die and they wouldn't).
However, only the reverse is the case. Dangerous drivers endanger the lives of cyclists, but not their own lives.
Nobody is dying because bikers don't ride carefully enough. But bikers are dying because cars don't drive carefully enough. As we've seen on this thread, some people react to this issue by saying, "Shut up, biker-fag! Bikers don't always ride safely. Therefore, you don't have a right to complain about it when drivers kill you."
It just boggles my mind that people can admit that bikers are getting killed by dangerous driving, and then just turn around and blame the victim. "Ah, similarly-dressed people have been known to roll through stop signs. That guy probably deserved to get killed by that driver who thought he shouldn't be biking on the road." Unbelievable.
mileage man wrote:
Nobody is dying because bikers don't ride carefully enough.
Really?
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/04/25/cyclist-in-fatal-san-francisco-pedestrian-crash-may-face-felony-charge/So I guess cyclists get to run red lights and stop signs because they don't kill as many pedestrians as cars kill cyclists?
Or maybe comparing dead pedestrians to dead cyclists is a "false equivalency"?
What if cyclist and cars both followed the traffic laws? It's not that difficult a concept.
Obviously they should both follow traffic laws, but you're just changing the subject.
We're talking about 2 cyclists who got hit by a car, in case you forgot.
Every time somebody tries to broach the subject of cars killing cyclists, somebody will speak up to absolve the cars from blame with false equivalency: "Cyclists don't always ride safely. They're as much to blame here as the cars are."
But it simply isn't true. Bikers don't kill drivers when they bike dangerously. If some other time you want to talk about bikers killing pedestrians, that's fine, it's probably also an important problem. But in this context, it's a dangerous red-herring. Cars are killing cyclists by driving dangerously, and they need to be squarely blamed for it. False equivalency just lets cars off the hook too easily, allows us to brush this issue under the rug (society has so many problems, let's ignore this one), and allows cyclists to keep dying.
mileage man wrote:
Obviously they should both follow traffic laws, but you're just changing the subject.
We're talking about pedestrians who get hit by cyclists, in case you forgot.
Every time somebody tries to broach the subject of cyclists killing pedestrians, somebody will speak up to absolve the cyclists from blame with false equivalency: "Pedestrians don't always walk safely. They're as much to blame here as the cyclists are."
But it simply isn't true. Pedestrians don't kill cyclists when they walk dangerously. If some other time you want to talk about cars killing cyclists, that's fine, but it's not that important, as in this context, it's a dangerous red-herring. Cyclists are killing pedestrians by riding dangerously, and they need to be squarely blamed for it.
False equivalency just lets cyclists off the hook too easily, allows us to brush this issue under the rug (society has so many problems, let's ignore this one), and allows pedestrians to keep dying, as a result of irresponsible cyclists.
Next time you're having a conversation with somebody in which you're criticizing bikers for hitting a pedestrian, and they blame the pedestrians for not walking safely, give me a call and I'll come back you up.
But this thread is about cars hitting cyclists. It shocks and saddens me that people are so quick to absolve the drivers of blame for their reckless actions and blame the victim.
What if we were talking about black people getting lynched, and how bad it is, but then I come along and say "Yeah, but black people also do bad things sometimes." Probably true, and a separate issue worth addressing some other time, but a despicable red herring! Let us not blame the victim, but rather squarely blame the ones who are killing others through their recklessness.
This always cheers me up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7uY9ydMYc
Bikers act like aholes! Deal with it!