The Real George Zimmerman Story--Interesting

This is the key point from this whole event. This is a ridiculous statute that could be used in any one on one confrontation that leads to a death. If you kill someone and there are no key witnesses, and some evidence of a scuffle then you get off.

Do we really want every physical confrontation to allow the legal use of firearms?

Interesting. The reports that have come out recently, including this one, almost make Zimmerman appear to be.........human. But how can that be? Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton told me that this man is a white racist, and specifically targeted TM because of his race. All this new evidence coming out, particularly about the rash of very recent crimes in the neighborhood perpetrated by black males, the way TM was acting prior to the confrontation, and the fact that he was known by his neighbors to be a decent person has changed my view.

When this story first broke I was all for 'putting the screws to this guy', but everything I've heard in the past month has suggested that he doesn't really deserve all this. Everybody knows the murder charge was a direct result of mob mentality, which is kind of shameful. Like somebody else said, unless the prosecution has a bombshell up their sleeve, I'm not sure he could or *should be* convicted of anything. It's a tragedy for everyone involved.

Maybe people are trolling but Zimmerman is not Jewish. Read the story. His father was a baptist. His mother is a Peruvian Roman Catholic and Zimmerman was raised Roman Catholic.

Zimmerman is German name. It just means "carpenter" in German and some people with the name are Jewish and some aren't.

Here's how it will go down and why it's gone this far.

1) Zimmerman initially wasn't going to be charged with anything. There simply wasn't enough evidence.

2) Due to pressure put on by members of the community (and those not in the community), charges were filed.

3) The prosecution has no more evidence now than they did before.

4) Zimmerman will be found not guilty.

5) Riots in Florida will ensue. Best to not be in Florida when the not guilty verdict comes down.

Flagpole wrote:

5) Riots in Florida will ensue. Best to not be in Florida when the not guilty verdict comes down.

What makes you thinkg the riots will be limited to Florida?

Anyway, thanks to the OP for the link. I have not followed the story much and had certainly formed a different impression of the killer.

Flagpole wrote:

5) Riots in Florida will ensue. Best to not be in Florida when the not guilty verdict comes down.

Flagpole, you are correct, but I think the riots will be elsewhere. Sure, there might be some riots in Florida, but I'd be careful if I lived in DC, NYC, LA, Detroit, Oakland, etc. This case is much larger than Florida.

I think most people agree that the media has spun this thing way out of proportion, regardless of Zimmerman's guilt.

One thing is for sure, we need to do away with the stand-your-ground law. At least revise it. Let's keep in mind that it makes sense that you should be able to use deadly force if you are in your home and someone breaks in and tries to hurt you, but on the street, there is way too much room for abuse.

Why would the prosecution reveal any of their evidence or arguments at the bail hearing? It is not to their advantage to do so any earlier than needed. And from what I can see, Zimmerman, and perhaps also the SPD are screwed.

Two different voice analysts have confirmed that it is not Zimmerman calling for help in the background of the 911 call. This means that both Zimmerman lied and the SPD was coaching witnesses who told them they thought it was Martin calling for help. The SPD corrected them when they tried to say otherwise!

The voice ID investigation was not done by the prosecution but by the Orlando Sentinel. However, you can be sure the prosecution has already done so, and probably also confirmed that the voice calling for help is Martin's. If it is then you have a very strong case for murder 2. Someone calling for help, who is at your mercy- and you shoot them with intent to kill? Nope. Doesn't look good for Zimmerman.

"Two different voice analysts have confirmed that it is not Zimmerman calling for help in the background of the 911 call. This means that both Zimmerman lied and the SPD was coaching witnesses who told them they thought it was Martin calling for help. The SPD corrected them when they tried to say otherwise!" The techniques used to "confirm" that Zimmerman was not the voice are under question. In the first case the scream is compared to only one known sample of Zimmerman's voice, the earlier 911 call Zimmerman made. Therefore, the samples being compared differ in range from the recording device, the recording device itself, the context, the situation, and even in the words being compared. In the second "analysis" the "expert" concluded the scream was not Zimmerman because the scream sounded like a young male voice that cracks. My guess is that won't even make it into the trial (I believe the word used to describe this technique was "naive"). The first expert was not employed by the prosecutor but is on the payroll of the Orlando Sentinel, which some might use to question his impartiality. And finally the voice screaming will never be able to be matched to Martin because his family has said there is no known recording of his voice. At best you might be able to eliminate Zimmerman as the screamer, but you can never prove that Martin is the screamer.

No, all people with the name are Jewish in origin from Germany, they just converted to christianity when they came to America.

Still a jew.

This is my favorite part of this profile: he's part black!

"He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him."

This now makes him a "white black hispanic" according to the media.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

He is going to walk. Get used to it

RTYUIO wrote:

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."

He is going to walk. Get used to it

What if tall people had been robbing houses? Are all tall people legitimate targets of suspicion? And even if they are - even if reason indicates that suspicion is warranted - do we really want people like George Zimmerman deciding what their fates are going to be? Would you be just as blase about a black guy shooting a tall white kid because "some tall kids" had been robbing houses recently? American justice posits that we are all innocent until proven guilty - not suspected guilty by some idiot on the street. This is madness, and this board's casual acceptance of it is perverse.

You know, all this talk about justice for George Zimmerman - including one sanctimonious poster's suggestion, "Patience people" - is so infuriating. Where was the justice for Trayvon Martin? Where was Zimmerman's patience? And why isn't every justice- and freedom-loving American enraged that this kid was denied his justice? He's f*cking dead now, and all anyone on LetsRun can say is, "Well, let's allow our justice system to do its thing."

The fact that the "Shoot First" law is on the books at all is a travesty; it's another example of our elected officials essentially outsourcing their work to single-issue, unelected lobbyists who are accountable to no one. They gin up issues, sow fear through hyperbolic mailings and TV ads, strong-arm representatives, and then walk away from the mess they've caused.

An America where some a-hole can decide that you or I look like someone causing trouble; can murder us based on that suspicion; and will not even be legitimately investigated by authorities afterward is a lesser America than any of us should want to live in. I live nowhere near Florida, and I plan to protest when Zimmerman is found not guilty - not because I think he's guilty (although I do) but because I'm sickened by the culture of fear, mistrust, and bloodlust sanctified by the goddamn NRA and its little monster lobbyists. The "Shoot First" law in Florida is a step back from a culture of equality and fairness, a step towards something cancerous and ugly: an America in which the armed few subvert the courts and our justice system by shooting whoever irritates them.

rytiuio - I think your thinking is misguided. The black woman was referring to the very unfortunate fact that most of us intuit and which the data backs up - young black males commit violent and serious crimes in orders of magnitude beyond their number. The problem has reached epidemic proportions. Now, you can argue that the actual number of black males who commit these crimes is still but a fraction of all black males (that fraction is unfortunately large, too, at least when it comes to black males between 18 and 35), and that we should all understand that, but the black woman quoted understands the problem. Some of the fear is entirely irrational given the data. That is the elephant in the room, and making an irrelevant reference to tall people will not make it go away.

I don't agree with the stand your ground law. But frankly, it doesn't yet seem relevant to this case. Zimmerman's defense appears to be self defense. In fact, given the state's difficulties in proving this case, I think to gain an acquittal (or more likely a dismissal) Zimmerman merely needs to plead simple self defense, a defense which would work in all 50 states in this country. This is not the case to rant on about the NRA or the stand your ground law.

In fact, the real challenge here will be how Zimmerman's attorney will be able to introduce the stand your ground law. Yes, he will defend as to a lack of guilt and to self defense, but if he can somehow grab the stand your ground law, you can bet he will do so. It provides for civil immunity - unusual and certainly contentious. But so far this is not a stand your ground case.

Look at the facts - and by that I mean the prosecution's case. It does not support any finding of guilt today, and frankly, is incompetent. I would shocked if anyone thought otherwise of the state's current case, and again, am curious as to why people like you are not commenting on the strength of the state's case, preferring to on an on about injustices. If indeed Zimmerman pursued Martin and shot him, the gravest injustice (other than to Martin and his family given the tragedy) is that the state has not even come close to endeavoring to prove that.

Get your facts straight wrote:

Maybe people are trolling but Zimmerman is not Jewish. Read the story. His father was a baptist. His mother is a Peruvian Roman Catholic and Zimmerman was raised Roman Catholic.

Zimmerman is German name. It just means "carpenter" in German and some people with the name are Jewish and some aren't.

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Mr. Zimmerman is a retired Jewish judge.

fixed wrote:

Swellzner wrote:

That charge is an overreach, cooked up for political purposes to quell the public furor, created by an irresponsible media that literally sold this as an unprovoked, race-based hate crime.

Thank God you are smart enough to see through the media bullshit. But all us po black folk think Zimmerman is guilty because he is white and that this is exclusively a hate crime. Oh, and we all voted for Obama simply because he is black.

What are you driving at? Are you suggesting there is no public furor and that the media has not been instrumental in creating it? I said the media sold it as a hate crime. I made no remark about how blacks think about the case. You are one weird, sick puppy.

Get your facts straight wrote:

Maybe people are trolling but Zimmerman is not Jewish. Read the story. His father was a baptist. His mother is a Peruvian Roman Catholic and Zimmerman was raised Roman Catholic.

Zimmerman is German name. It just means "carpenter" in German and some people with the name are Jewish and some aren't.

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Mr. Moo wrote:

Mr. Zimmerman is a retired Jewish judge.

what difference does it make if he is Jewish?

The state's case is weak and getting weaker.

If your neighborhood had experienced a number of robberies where the perpetrators were young black men, and you were the neighborhood appointed watch person, and you saw an unknown young black man, you'd follow him. anybody would. And you'd confront him. that is what your neighbors had tasked you with.

It doesn't matter what GZ "should" have done. He didnt break the law. And if you assault a person with a gun and get shot, in FL that is not a crime. That sucks, and is a tragedy for TM, but that is the absurdity of the law.

Oftenrunning52 wrote:...his family has said there is no known recording of his voice. At best you might be able to eliminate Zimmerman as the screamer, but you can never prove that Martin is the screamer.

rocky ground wrote:

rytiuio - I think your thinking is misguided. The black woman was referring to the very unfortunate fact that most of us intuit and which the data backs up - young black males commit violent and serious crimes in orders of magnitude beyond their number. The problem has reached epidemic proportions. Now, you can argue that the actual number of black males who commit these crimes is still but a fraction of all black males (that fraction is unfortunately large, too, at least when it comes to black males between 18 and 35), and that we should all understand that, but the black woman quoted understands the problem. Some of the fear is entirely irrational given the data. That is the elephant in the room, and making an irrelevant reference to tall people will not make it go away.

You're right, RG. We should imprison black children at birth and then release them only after they've proven their intentions to be lawyers, financial advisers, or surgeons; even then, each should be outfitted with a tracking mechanism so all the good whites can know where the menacing blacks are at all times.

Yeah, dude, I'm sorry - your comment holds no water for me. Trayvon Martin could not help being black; do you really think it's right that his life should be somehow cheaper than his white peers'? Because that's what you're saying. You've already found him mostly guilty by association; the rest of his guilt, and his final sentencing, will be found in the fact that he's wearing a hoodie or listening to L'il Wayne. And if that's all it takes, why not have them hunted by vigilantes! But white kids? They get the full measure of justice. Since, with your "data," whites commit fewer crimes, a white life is more deserving of the considerable time and expense needed to judge it fairly. Your America sucks, and I hope you don't vote.

In the end, Zimmerman had to get out of his car and somehow attract the attention of a black kid he already suspected of criminal intent. Is it possible that Trayvon knocked him down? Sure; it seems like there's a photo out there showing cuts on Zimmerman's head. But I'd like to know why Zimmerman trailed the kid, which we know he did; why he got out of his car; and why Trayvon Martin got close enough to hit him.

And I'm still going to protest "Shoot First" laws and concealed weapons laws after the acquittal. I have no doubt that the existence of those laws empowered Zimmerman to do what he did. Which is, after all, murder a kid. Remember?

I live in South FL and maybe in places like Overtown in Miami will have riots but I assure in places like Boca Raton where I work- nothing to fear.