bangalangadanga wrote:
I don't know if Morcelli could be considered as the best kicker ever, but this is my favorite kick of all time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9VRMa91ew
The announcer said he had Morceli at 50.47 for the last 400, but that's by hand. Still, pretty incredible, making the defending Olympic champ look ridiculous over the last 200. Has anyone ever closed a championship-style race in sub-50?
To think, with those 400m times you are granting guys who can close in 50 to 52, that we have so many 49s 400m high school middle distance runners who could run 12:40s, etc. if they only worked on their endurance a lot! Don't you think that it's more likely that those great runners must be considerably faster than 50s?
Not sure how he rated as a kicker on the track, but I can say from personal observation that Skah was not averse to kicking members of his own family, including his children and his wife.
Hicham said 49-50 seconds for 400m and 1:45 for 800m. I then asked his coach the same questions-he said he has run 48 for 400m and 1:44 high for 800m in training. He said he would do 4X800m at 1:48 each with 3min rest between them in training. He said he thought he could probably run 1:43 low at 800
48.0 / 1'43.2 -> 2'11.9 , 3'25.8 , 4'41.8 , 7'18.5 , 12'44.0
47.8 / 1'43.0 -> 2'11.8 , 3'25.8 , 4'42.0 , 7'19.2 , 12'46.1
47.6 / 1'42.8 -> 2'11.6 , 3'25.7 , 4'42.2 , 7'19.9 , 12'48.1
Lou Groza
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1983, at the inaugural World Track and Field Championship 10,000m final, Alberto Cova wins with an amazing kick.
Two doped-up East Germans take the lead on the last lap...
Not the best kicker ever, but I like how Eamonn Coglan showed everyone that he had the 5000m WC final race in the bag and note the fist pump at the 9:01 mark and then leaves the Russian in the dust. Love it!
ventolin^3 wrote:for '85 i go with something like
48.3 / 1'44.2 -> 3'28.3 , 4'45.7 , 7'25.1 , 12'56.9 , 27'28.7
to
48.4 / 1'44.3 -> 3'28.4 , 4'45.6 , 7'24.8 , 12'55.9 , 27'25.4
( he is entitled to low 3'28 off a 3'29.7 with a last lap of 52.8 & pretty obvious he was worth well below 13'00 as they did jog around the 4th km before sydney picked up pace & aouita just tucked in
saw that monaco race a lot but missed this :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4418003Why was Aouita way behind even when entering the last lap? He had to run several meters more in that race. He definitely was in 3:28 shape on that day
he ran 1st bend in lane 2 which is at least 3.14m extra
a bit more shitty bend running further along
i think he did run about 5 - 6m extra that race, meaning
1505 - 1506m in 3'29.71 ->
~ 3'28.87 - 3'29.01
before knocking off uneven pace of 52.8 last lap
he was more likely mid/high-3'27 that day
i'll post soon...
i always felt he deserved quicker lines, but didn't notice the shitty bends
this looks more likely
48.0 / 1'43.7 -> 3'27.6 !!! , 4'44.7 ! , 7'24.0 !! , 12'55.4 , 27'27.0
or
48.1 / 1'43.8 -> 3'27.6 !!! , 4'44.7 ! , 7'23.6 !! , 12'54.4 , 27'23.7
i had to believe that a guy who chased down a soon-to-be 1'42.8 guy to the wire ( & he looked more 1'42.5 as he ran to win it, not tt ) had to have at least something in 1'43's at the time - it's virtually inconceivable otherwise
these lines makes more sense
in the end, he may have only differed from hicham by about 3/4s over 800 - but that made all the difference
without admission from skah after the race of collusion with the other 'roccan, you can only assume his compatriot had patriotic fervour & tried to pace his king
skah, quite rightly couda claimed it was none of his doing
in the end, skah was possibly in 27-flat shape for biggest race of his life & at age 25y shouda been
i don't think the result wouda been any different, even without his mate...
maybe, but it leaves a bad taste in one's mouth.
ventolin^3 wrote:
without admission from skah after the race of collusion with the other 'roccan, you can only assume his compatriot had patriotic fervour & tried to pace his king
skah, quite rightly couda claimed it was none of his doing
in the end, skah was possibly in 27-flat shape for biggest race of his life & at age 25y shouda been
i don't think the result wouda been any different, even without his mate...
Exactly. Skah was not going to be dropped by Chelima and a faster pace wasn't going to help him. He was just waiting for the last 200. Bouteyeb was having a bad day and trying to help but didn't know that it was against the rules. Skah rightfully won the Gold Medal.
gotta admit for morceli, that he possibly had same 400 speed as hicham
47.8 / 1'43.4 -> 3'27.2 , 4'44.3 , 7'23.6 , 12'55.2 , 27'27.8
or
47.8 / 1'43.3 -> 3'26.8 , 4'43.7 , 7'22.5 , 12'53.9 , 27'22.0
( he jogged 5'00 to 7'25wr )
note
none of these 1500 guys are doing too much over "theoretical" 10k
they woud fade badly...
break it up wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:without admission from skah after the race of collusion with the other 'roccan, you can only assume his compatriot had patriotic fervour & tried to pace his king
skah, quite rightly couda claimed it was none of his doing
in the end, skah was possibly in 27-flat shape for biggest race of his life & at age 25y shouda been
i don't think the result wouda been any different, even without his mate...
Exactly. Skah was not going to be dropped by Chelima and a faster pace wasn't going to help him. He was just waiting for the last 200. Bouteyeb was having a bad day and trying to help but didn't know that it was against the rules. Skah rightfully won the Gold Medal.