One day or another everyone on this thread is going to die. This goes for me too.
One day or another everyone on this thread is going to die. This goes for me too.
Who was Hadd? Not alias of John Kellogg?
Glycerin Runner wrote:
Fixx, Salazar are / were predisposed to family risk factors, ie. hypertension etc.
Unsure of the others.
Interesting never hear of these issues with african or morrocan runners.
american lifestyle plays a key role.
Maxwell falls under the same category as Salazar and Fixx. Jim Fixx's father died of a heart attack at 43.
Ron Daws .
powerbar wrote:
Brian Maxwell
Maxwell died as a result of this:
Congenital aortic stenosis. This is being born with two rather than three heart valve leaflets. In some people with this condition, the leaflets can’t open well and the heart can’t force blood out, especially when the person is dehydrated.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4503228&page=0#ixzz1q9fk1PHDterry malloy wrote:
The right diet, on the other hand, gives much more protection.
What do you have in mind? Avoiding Linoleic Acid? Homogenized milk?
Hot Cocoa wrote:
terry malloy wrote:The right diet, on the other hand, gives much more protection.
What do you have in mind? Avoiding Linoleic Acid? Homogenized milk?
While we wait on Terry, is there a consensus among the rest of you? The lipid hypothesis (i.e. saturated fat = CHD) has pretty much been discredited, yes?
JustHowFit wrote:
2) Is it an issue of longer distances causing more problems? In other words, would someone with an undiagnosed heart issue be more likely to suffer a traumatic event during a marathon as opposed to a hard 5k or 10k?
With Ryan Shay, yes, it was during a marathon, but he wasn't even 10K into it when he collapsed. RIP.
Hot Cocoa wrote:
While we wait on Terry, is there a consensus among the rest of you? The lipid hypothesis (i.e. saturated fat = CHD) has pretty much been discredited, yes?
No, it's pretty well established. High saturated fat intake is a risk factor for CHD, though it does matter what kind of Sat. fat you're talking about.
Cawl Reathers wrote:
No, it's pretty well established. High saturated fat intake is a risk factor for CHD, though it does matter what kind of Sat. fat you're talking about.
Only in conjunction w/ high carbohydrate (read: sugar) consumption. By itself SFA consumption is not a risk factor.
This guy is eating over 400g fat/day.
http://waroninsulin.com/how-low-carb-diet-reduced-my-risk-of-heart-disease64 slice CT angiogram is the only thing that will show everything
I'm not "elite," but I have trained as hard as I could given a normal life outside of sports for many years. I ran at a D1 school and worked from being a walk on to running 14:15.
At the age of 26 I developed Atrial Fibrillation. My heart would be pounding rapidly and erratically for up to 30 hours at a time every 7 to 10 days. It was very uncomfortable. I'd get winded just walking up a flight of stairs.
Nobody on either side of my family has this condition, and it's a pretty large family. I don't know a thing about cardiology, but don't feel like running/racing 80-100mpw while working very long hours in college and grad school did my heart much good. Like others have said on this thread, maybe I was predisposed to this condition and the stress on my heart brought it out.
Another guy who lives in my building has the exact same story, although he developed Afib at a slightly older age.
I had a catheter ablation procedure about 2.5 years ago and haven't had an episode since. I hope this luck lasts.
A bunch of different issues here. I asked the editor of Running Times to do an article on this, but it has not happened yet.
Genetic predisposition is one issue. Ryan Shay was aware of a congenital problem. Jim Fixx a genetic history. An interesting question, Did running cause the final episode or did it prolong the length of life?
Still others had no history and no indication. Is it possible that intense running, pushing the human body to it's limits caused the problem?
Is it possible that a large number of athletes pay little attention to the dietary factors because their caloric requirements "allow" them to eat with reckless abandon?
I have low blood pressure which now at age 59 is normal. I have a genetic history. My father was the oldest member of his family as far as we know and he died at 67 from a major heart attack. (First sign of any heart disease).
In 1986, after 7 years as a "semi"vegetarian and averaging 90 miles per week, numerous weeks of 125+ miles, I was advised to "modify my diet and start a progressive exercise program" because my Cholesterol was at 242. Just last week, I saw a cholesterol specialist at the UCONN medical center who told me that the latest research showing a connection between cholesterol levels and carb intake was "rubbish" and that my sudden jump to a total cholesterol of 307 was due in large, to my diet which now restricted carbs. I was told that my exercise preogram which now consists of an average of an hour a day of cycling, swimming, running and lifting, has probably prevented me from having a heart attack already. I have a 24% chance of an "episode" in the next 10 years.
Because of liver enzyme problems and severe reaction to statins, I have started a program of sterols and will work in a niacin therapy program.
A lot of confusion and disagreement between doctors. Some say statins are "evil", others say it's the only chance I have....On edoctor told me to restrict carb intake, avoid wheat and gluten products, another tells me I'm nuts for not having oatmeal daily.
My own belief? we are all genetically programmed and it will take quite a bit of hard work to postpone the inevitable. Man was not designed to run marathons and to train at teh extreme end of the spectrum. Most of the people out there pushing themselves to complete a marathon have no business being out there. Live well, eat well, avoid stress, and do everything else in moderation.
Thanks for the input ray. Topics to consider include refined vegetable oils (omega-6s), insulin/blood glucose (and the attendant carbohydrate consumption), and dairy homogenization. Saturated fatty acids, in and of themselves, do not appear culpable. Take a look upthread of the guy (medical doctor, btw), who eats nearly a pound of fat every day with apparently beneficial consequences to his cardiovascular health.
This topic is of great interest to me. I, by no means, am elite. Im a 16:00 5k guy, so my training is usually only 50ish miles a week, but I have always been worried about having heart issues and dropping dead during a race.
A couple of years ago I was diagnosed with a leaky heart valve...don't remember which one. I saw 2 doctors concerning the issue...the first one, who first read the results of my D2 echo, said that everything looked fine. The 2nd doctor was the one to point my problem out, but he said that the leak was so small that it should never be an issue.
With that said, I continue to train and race, but worry about the issue. I would like to follow up on the issue, so my questions are:
Is a D2 echo sufficient enough clear me to continue running competing?
Is running with a small leaky valve ok?
Thanks.
Hot Cocoa wrote:
Cawl Reathers wrote:No, it's pretty well established. High saturated fat intake is a risk factor for CHD, though it does matter what kind of Sat. fat you're talking about.
Only in conjunction w/ high carbohydrate (read: sugar) consumption. By itself SFA consumption is not a risk factor.
This guy is eating over 400g fat/day.
http://waroninsulin.com/how-low-carb-diet-reduced-my-risk-of-heart-disease
Im not that familiar with nutrition science, but seriously? Sugar...I always thought it was red meat.
LeakyValve wrote:
Is running with a small leaky valve ok?
Thanks.
When it comes to your life, don't blindly accept the wisdom of some random guy on the Internet.
Seriously?.... wrote:
Im not that familiar with nutrition science, but seriously? Sugar...I always thought it was red meat.
The Masai basically eat nothing but red meat, raw dairy, and blood. Don't believe the AMA.
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/44/2/121.abstractRed meat, and especially processed red meat, is consistently linked to heart disease and colon cancer. Processed meat is the big problem.http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/12/red-meat-death-heart-cancerAnyway, I just found this, pretty interesting: relationship of distance run per week and coronary heart disease (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/157/2/191)
Results
Compared with runners who ran less than 16 km (10 miles) per week, long-distance runners (80 km/wk) showed an 85% reduced prevalence of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels that were clinically low (<0.9 mmol/L [<35 mg/dL]), a 2.5-fold increased prevalence of clinically defined high levels of high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (ie, 1.55 mmol/L [ 60 mg/dL], the level thought to be protective against CHD), a nearly 50% reduction in hypertension, and more than a 50% reduction in the use of medications to lower blood pressure and plasma cholesterol levels. Estimated age-adjusted 10-year CHD risk was 30% lower in runners who averaged more than 64 km/wk than in those who averaged less than 16 km/wk (42 vs 61 events per 1000 men). Each 16-km incremental increase in weekly distance run up to 64 to 79 km/wk was associated with significant increases in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and significant decreases in adiposity, triglyceride levels, the ratio of total cholesterol to high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level, and estimated CHD risk.
Conclusions
Our data (1) suggest that substantial health benefits occur at exercise levels that exceed current minimum guidelines and (2) do not exhibit a point of diminishing return to the health benefits of running at any distance less than 80 km/wk.
Only goes up to 80 km/week, though.
Another study, this one on former Finnish elite athletes:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0026049594902194
"After adjustments for age, BMI, smoking history, and occupational group, compared with referents, former endurance athletes had the lowest ORs for diabetes (OR 0.24; 95% confidence interval, 0.07 to 0.81) and ischemic heartdisease (OR 0.33; 0.18 to 0.61)"
So it doesn't look like elite athletics really cause heart disease. We just notice it when athletes die young.