School Shootings - Honest Question

Shoebacca wrote:

Guns don't kill people. Stupid gun laws do.

Is this too sensitive of an issue to discuss?

I cant understand a single word you just said.

What do you want out of gun laws and what do you think the problem is?

And to the o.p., the entire tragedy behind situations like this is that INNOCENT people get shot. These people who get picked on and come back to get their revenge, they take their rage out on other kids who never even bullied them.

Really people, if you are a victim of bullying, then i would think you would be nerdy enough/smart enough to take your revenge out on the specific individuals who bullied you. Not just on random kids standing in the hall.

I await anxiously for replies.

European Power Adaptation wrote:

Twitched wrote:

If the bullying is non physical, then it isn't that big of a deal and you just need to ignore it. If you let words hurt you, then you have issues and are a weak punk.

See, I have to take issue with that statement. In Middle School and High School, kids are at such an impressionable stage. Major damage can be done on a psychological level.

It is very easy to say "sticks and stones," but the truth is that someone's level of confidence can be severely affected by intimidation and humiliation. This can lead to poor grades, depression, etc. A cycle that is hard to break.

Kids are fvcking ruthless.

They are only ruthless of you pay attention to them. If you're still impressionable by the time you're in high school, then just give up on life.

Ever see Friday? Simple but true message, don't resort to guns. Fight the guy, if you lose at least you might gain some respect. But pick up a gun and your future and the whole situation is fvcked

Arizona Till I die wrote:

And to the o.p., the entire tragedy behind situations like this is that INNOCENT people get shot. These people who get picked on and come back to get their revenge, they take their rage out on other kids who never even bullied them.

Really people, if you are a victim of bullying, then i would think you would be nerdy enough/smart enough to take your revenge out on the specific individuals who bullied you. Not just on random kids standing in the hall.

I await anxiously for replies.

Well, the OPs hypothetical was that the bullies got killed, not the innocents.

Also, your view of the people being bullied is kind of whack. I mean, a lot of "nerds" aren't the stereotypical bookworms who are winning spelling bees and getting debate team scholarships. They are troubled kids with antisocial attitudes who don't have anywhere to turn.

Twitched wrote:

If you're still impressionable by the time you're in high school, then just give up on life.

That is my point entirely. This is what we are trying to avoid.

European Power Adaptation wrote:

Well, the OPs hypothetical was that the bullies got killed, not the innocents.

Yes, this was my hypothetical situation. I think we can all agree that killing innocent people is never something that can be understood.

That being said, how do we know who is innocent? I mean, who the heck is going to come out after a 15 year old girl is killed and say, "Yeah, that girl was always egging on the bully during English class."

diet soda wrote:

Ever see Friday? Simple but true message, don't resort to guns. Fight the guy, if you lose at least you might gain some respect. But pick up a gun and your future and the whole situation is fvcked

But what if he has a gun? What if he has a knife? What if he has 15 friends waiting to knock you down and kick your head and neck? The days of "fair fist fights" are long gone.

Someone has suggested looking at this:

http://www.amazon.com/Minimal-Self-Psychic-Survival-Troubled/dp/0393302636

and an earlier book

http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Narcissism-American-Diminishing-Expectations/dp/0393307387

I would be hard to feel sorry for the "victim" of the shooting. Murder is never justified, but the bullier did ask for it.

Seriously, I've known young people who died of a drug overdose. I felt bad for them, sorry for them because their life was so bad they had to resort to abusing drugs.

But, they did ask for it.

In a way, I feel sorry for bullies, they're the ones with the problems, not the bullied person.

I can see where a young person just thought they had no where else to turn and resort to murder.

Imagine every day going through what bullied kids go through and I'd bet that the bully denied it and had friends backing him/her up.

We literally murder thousands of Civillians to get a couple dozen so called 'terrorists' and everyone cheers.

Meanwhile Americans get all weepy eyed about a kid shooting up some people who were bullying him and hitting some bystanders...

Offspring song 'Hammerhead' totally called attention to America's split personality when it comes to it's own. Brilliant!

If the bully is physically harming his victims and has been warned time and time again and ignores those warnings.....shoot him in the leg.

European Power Adaptation wrote:

Well, the OPs hypothetical was that the bullies got killed, not the innocents.

Also, your view of the people being bullied is kind of whack. I mean, a lot of "nerds" aren't the stereotypical bookworms who are winning spelling bees and getting debate team scholarships. They are troubled kids with antisocial attitudes who don't have anywhere to turn.

I think you are referring to the Napoleon Dynamite type. And I agree, those types are absolutely bullied as well. But as far as them being targeted more than the smart kids with glasses, I beg to differ. The smart kids with glass who are UNATHLETIC are the ones that are the most bullied. This is primarily due to jealousy from the non-smart students who are also the "coolest" in the school.

To a certain extent, it is the outkasts fault that they dont play sports (or their parents fault), however, this is does not pardon the bullies from choosing them as a target.

I always had a "hitlist" when I was growing up (I still do). The only people that were on it were the specific people that offended me. It would do me (and others that have been bullied) absolutely no good to terminate (cough cough) random kids in the hall that did not offend me. I still do not understand the point of why these young people do not have a specific hitlist and just blast whoever they see. I suppose they have the mentality that this person or that person could have ridiculed me behind my back or in the future. Either way, it seems like anyone who opens fire in public without have SPECIFIC HUMAN TARGETS THAT OFFENDED THEM are not just mad at the bullies. They are mad at the entire world.

A Big Bully wrote:

(Optional) wrote:

There are few cases where a murderer is justified. Being the victim of bullying is not one of them.

What about long-term, viscous bullying? Day in and day out? Publicly humiliating comments, physical attacks, etc.

How can bullying have the quality of a fluid that doesn't flow quickly?

As a psychiatrist I can tell you that victims of bullying don't very often (succeed in life and become the CEO while the Bully is sweeping the floor of his office). While that does happen occassionly it is extremely rare. Usually the bullied end up with horrible self confidence problems that continue with them their entire lives. They will often still think about getting even, or getting revenge on people who bullied them 10, 20, 30+ years ago. Meanwhile those who bullied them, will have either forgotten it entirely, or actually think fondly upon them later on(ever have someone you hated in High School, act like they were your best friend later in life.)

Justified. Yes and No. I'll settle this argument.

You go to school, there are lessons to be learned

kids are suppose to come out civilized and conform

to society. Here's the problem I have with the bullies.

They don't want to be there? Right? Therefore schools have a

liability to prevent a "hostile environment" that

is what tax payers pay for a civilized orderly

environment for kids to learn in. On the other hand,

since I was bullied kind of small for my size I was

never afraid to get up into the eye of a bully and

stare them down. Why? They knew that they'd get

a focused anger aimed to their head, I drew blood

with my fists. So for the most part the bullies avoided

me. Also to the poster that said, "The smart kids with

glass who are UNATHLETIC are the ones that are the most bullied."

Wrong. I made it a goal to beat these cretins by

excelling in individualistic sports (running).

For the most part I could out run the bullies.

They used to call me the Blazin' Georgia Peach because

I could out run their peach throwin'. Hell I one day I

thought I could even win the Peachtree road race and the

bullies would be standing on the side lines going "boo hoo hoo

hoo."

Saw lots of videos of Klebold and Harris! The only ones anyone remembers from Columbine were the shooters! They called it, they knew they would be famous and the media has made them just that! Dozens of fan sites for them online!

if guns don't kill people, does a toaster not toast bread?

bangalangadanga wrote:

if guns don't kill people, does a toaster not toast bread?

Well, the toaster isn't going to make toast by itself. Similarly, a gun isn't going to kill someone unless another person aims it and pulls the trigger.

Back to the original topic. I can't believe the guy that said he wished more school shootings would happen. I doubt many bullying cases (if any at all) justify murdering the bullies, and a lot of these cases end with bystanders dying. Yes, bullying is bad, but don't you think aimless homicide may be just a tad bit worse?

Is it aimless if it is revenge?