Jefferson twins contract

Typical Super Douche comment by ttc, who is one of the twits that expect an athlete to at least be able to run their pb every time out.

ttc, here's to you, Mr. Expert on a running message board, with the answers that could save american distance running. May the genius behind your a-hole comments never burn out.

Senior Year (2006) JOHN JEFFERSON

Indoor: Advanced to the finals at the Big Ten Championships in the mile with a second-best team time of 4:09.30.

Junior Year (2005)

Indoor: Broke a four-minute mile along with twin brother Sean at the Meyo Classic...Became just the 14th set of brothers and fourth set of twins to accomplish such a feat...Of the 14th sets of brothers, they are the first American born...His time at the Meyo Classic (3:57.85) ranks third in IU history...Finished third at the Big Ten Championships...Earned All-American status at the NCAA Championships with a seventh-place finish

Outdoor: Ran the Hoosier's second-fastest time in the 1,500m (3:41.64)...Finished 11th in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships...Was a regional qualifier in the 1,500m

Redshirt Year (2004)

Redshirted

Sophomore Year (2003)

Indoor: Finished runner-up in the mile at the NCAA Indoor Championships...The performance gave him a second All-America honor in the event and helped IU to an eighth-place finish as a team...Captured the mile crown at the Big Ten Conference Indoor Championships as he clocked a time of 4:05.43

Outdoor: Competed at the NCAA Championships in the 1,500m ...Placed second in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Conference Outdoor Championships with a time of 3:53.54 ... Turned in best performance in the 1,500m (3:41.53) winning the Mt. Sac Relays...Best time in the 800m (1:51.41) at the Purdue meet...Competed in the 1,500m at both the NCAA's and USATF's

Freshman Year (2002)

Indoor: Earned All-America honors for his 10th place finish in the mile at the NCAA Indoor Championship...Was the only true freshmen in the finals

Outdoor: Finished second in the Big Ten in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships (3:49.64) ... enjoyed individual bests in the 800m (1:52.56) and the 5,000m (14:04.66)

SEAN JEFFERSON

Junior Year (2005)

Indoor: Broke Jim Spivey's 23-year old record in the mile with a time of 3:56.44 at the Meyo Classic...Twin brother John accomplished the same feat, making them the 14th set of brothers (first American born) and fourth set of twins to accomplish such a feat...Won the mile title at the Big Ten Championships...Earned a runner-up finish at NCAAs in the mile for his second track All-American accolade

Outdoor: Continued his success to the outdoor season...Finished third in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships...Took a runner-up stance at the NCAA Mideast Regional...Once at NCAAS, captured a seventh-place finish with a career-best 3:38.91, a time that ranks fifth in the record books...Earned All-American status in his outing at NCAAs

Sophomore Year (2004)

Indoor: Became the national champion in the mile at NCAA's with a career best time of 4:00.16, a time that ranks fourth on the IU all-time list...Earned second team All-Big Ten in the mile after a second-place finish at the conference championships...Named IU's Male Athlete of the Year...Ran 1,600m leg on record-setting DMR

Outdoor: Big Ten Champion in the 1,500m...Was the only collegiate runner invited to compete at the Home Depot Invitational...Finished fourth overall at the meet...Was also the Mt. Sac Relays 1,500m champion, running a personal best 3:40.90...NCAA and Olympic Trials Qualifier in the 1,500m

Freshman Year (2003)

Indoor: Season best in the mile (4:06.71) came at the Alex Wilson Invite...Placed eighth at the Big Ten Championships in the mile

Outdoor: Set an Indiana freshman record and a personal best mark in the 5,000m, finishing in 13:58.23 at the Mt. Sac Relays...Was just the seventh runner in IU history to break the 14-minute mark in the event ... Advanced to compete in at the NCAA Championships in the 5,000-meters...Placed 11th at the USATF National Championships in the 1,500m

i would not call them regualar runners! they have outstanding talent that has yet to be reached!. they have national championships and runners up between the two

Stop HATIN!!

Senior Year (2006) JOHN JEFFERSON

Indoor: Advanced to the finals at the Big Ten Championships in the mile with a second-best team time of 4:09.30.

Junior Year (2005)

Indoor: Broke a four-minute mile along with twin brother Sean at the Meyo Classic...Became just the 14th set of brothers and fourth set of twins to accomplish such a feat...Of the 14th sets of brothers, they are the first American born...His time at the Meyo Classic (3:57.85) ranks third in IU history...Finished third at the Big Ten Championships...Earned All-American status at the NCAA Championships with a seventh-place finish

Outdoor: Ran the Hoosier's second-fastest time in the 1,500m (3:41.64)...Finished 11th in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships...Was a regional qualifier in the 1,500m

Redshirt Year (2004)

Redshirted

Sophomore Year (2003)

Indoor: Finished runner-up in the mile at the NCAA Indoor Championships...The performance gave him a second All-America honor in the event and helped IU to an eighth-place finish as a team...Captured the mile crown at the Big Ten Conference Indoor Championships as he clocked a time of 4:05.43

Outdoor: Competed at the NCAA Championships in the 1,500m ...Placed second in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Conference Outdoor Championships with a time of 3:53.54 ... Turned in best performance in the 1,500m (3:41.53) winning the Mt. Sac Relays...Best time in the 800m (1:51.41) at the Purdue meet...Competed in the 1,500m at both the NCAA's and USATF's

Freshman Year (2002)

Indoor: Earned All-America honors for his 10th place finish in the mile at the NCAA Indoor Championship...Was the only true freshmen in the finals

Outdoor: Finished second in the Big Ten in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships (3:49.64) ... enjoyed individual bests in the 800m (1:52.56) and the 5,000m (14:04.66)

SEAN JEFFERSON

Junior Year (2005)

Indoor: Broke Jim Spivey's 23-year old record in the mile with a time of 3:56.44 at the Meyo Classic...Twin brother John accomplished the same feat, making them the 14th set of brothers (first American born) and fourth set of twins to accomplish such a feat...Won the mile title at the Big Ten Championships...Earned a runner-up finish at NCAAs in the mile for his second track All-American accolade

Outdoor: Continued his success to the outdoor season...Finished third in the 1,500m at the Big Ten Championships...Took a runner-up stance at the NCAA Mideast Regional...Once at NCAAS, captured a seventh-place finish with a career-best 3:38.91, a time that ranks fifth in the record books...Earned All-American status in his outing at NCAAs

Sophomore Year (2004)

Indoor: Became the national champion in the mile at NCAA's with a career best time of 4:00.16, a time that ranks fourth on the IU all-time list...Earned second team All-Big Ten in the mile after a second-place finish at the conference championships...Named IU's Male Athlete of the Year...Ran 1,600m leg on record-setting DMR

Outdoor: Big Ten Champion in the 1,500m...Was the only collegiate runner invited to compete at the Home Depot Invitational...Finished fourth overall at the meet...Was also the Mt. Sac Relays 1,500m champion, running a personal best 3:40.90...NCAA and Olympic Trials Qualifier in the 1,500m

Freshman Year (2003)

Indoor: Season best in the mile (4:06.71) came at the Alex Wilson Invite...Placed eighth at the Big Ten Championships in the mile

Outdoor: Set an Indiana freshman record and a personal best mark in the 5,000m, finishing in 13:58.23 at the Mt. Sac Relays...Was just the seventh runner in IU history to break the 14-minute mark in the event ... Advanced to compete in at the NCAA Championships in the 5,000-meters...Placed 11th at the USATF National Championships in the 1,500m

i would not call them regualar runners! they have outstanding talent that has yet to be reached!. they have national championships and runners up between the two

Stop HATIN!!

Yes, they get support for running, the rest they have to earn by actually racing well. It's not a hard concept to follow, performance incentives, if you will.

Wait, you're telling me that one year one of the twins won ncaa indoor nats in the mile and the next year the other got 2nd???

how come i don't remember that?

pretty SWEET

john got 2nd in 2003 and sean won in 2004.. I remember watchin the race. sean just outkicked everyone in the field in the last 300 metters. he jogged across the line it wasn't even close these guys are remarkable.. they just had a couple years of injuries thats all i mean it happens to many runners...shit even webb fell off for awile..not that they are in his calaber

the man1`2314 wrote:

john got 2nd in 2003 and sean won in 2004.. I remember watchin the race. sean just outkicked everyone in the field in the last 300 metters. he jogged across the line it wasn't even close these guys are remarkable.. they just had a couple years of injuries thats all i mean it happens to many runners...shit even webb fell off for awile..not that they are in his calaber

true. they were a claiber behind webb in HS. as in, not all-all timers like webb, but if no webb their senior years, they would have wiped the floor with everyone. both guys on the dmr with sub-4:10 and 1.50 800 speed.

good runner.s

"Well we're movin' on up,

To the east side.

To a deluxe apartment in the skyyy.

Movin' on up

To the east side.

We finally got a piece of the pie.

Fish don't fry in the kitchen;

Beans don't burn on the grill.

Took a whole lotta tryin'

Just to get up that hill.

Now we're up in the big leagues

Gettin' our turn at bat.

As long as we live, it's you and me baby

There ain't nothin wrong with that.

Well we're movin' on up,

To the east side.

To a deluxe apartment in the skyyy.

Movin' on up

To the east side.

We finally got a piece of the pie."

What was their GPA out of Indiana U. Did they graduate before signing. That's pretty low wages. They can always stay ay the Union Mission when running at Mt. Sac, Home Depot, or anywhere in L.A.

A couple of things strike me about this article and the comments here:

1) The twins have an NCAA Championship, and two NCAA runner-us between them. That is more than Ritz, Webb, and Hall, who were in the same class. They have had about the same number of injuries and struggles as those athletes.

Why are people so hard on them? I think part of it is the novelty of being a twin.

2) An interesting thing about the article, was how it mentioned Ken Schappert putting things together, but nothing about the support system they are leaving at Indiana. I know Champman worked hard for them, taking them to Europe two years ago, and bent over backwards to protect them from over racing in the college environment.

I just wonder about college guys who leave an established training routine with a coach who undertands them and cares about them to go with either a "group" or a "guru."

A larger scale question - Is the Farm Team (or similar set ups) the best place for our emerging elites? It just seems to me that, for most guys, they have not really progressed with the group.

Thoughts?

fxc2 wrote:

Who is this slaps guy who claims to have run such times in college? 13.38 and 28.33.....anyone?

slaps was a team member of the infamous strip club visitation at the neuchatel world xc championships. the revealation of the club visit was cause for greg

whitely's grandma and dad to be surprised at breakfast the following day.

Casual NCAA Observer wrote:

The twins have an NCAA Championship, and two NCAA runner-us between them. That is more than Ritz, Webb, and Hall, who were in the same class.

1) Untrue. Ritz won XC national championship and Hall finished second to him. Ritz also finished second in outdoor 5,000. So unless I missed something, it's at least a tie.

2) Misleading. Ritz and Webb both came out early, and it's clear both would have won NCAA championships had they stayed in through their eligibility. Ritz, Webb, and Hall have proven themselves to be better runners so far than the Jefferson twins.

3) Good for the Jefferson twins to get some money to pursue getting better (because they need to if they are going to get much more money from runing), but it's certainly ok for people to question why any company would give them enough money for them to live on (albeit cheaply).

I hope they make Olympic teams and break American and World records. Just would be very surprised if either did.

speaking of twins, I was just thinking about those hot blonde female identical runner-twins from Arizona a couple years back. Anyone remember? They would make a great Doublemint commercial now.

They'll be back in Bloomington before Christmas.

Who's hating? I'm calling it as I see it. Outdoors the highest finish between them was 7th at NCAA's, which is excellent but not $25K/year pro material. Their accomplishments were all indoors, and some of them were great ones. But indoors is not outdoors. They also had a lot of blow ups that are not on their bios.

I don't think the contracts are outrageously wrong, but they should consider themselves lucky. Gabe Jennings blew his chance before. But is w/o a contract despite being an Olympian, WC runner, current USATF runnerup and even a marathon trials qualifier to boot. Wasn't Fam counting pennies for a long time, despite excellent USATF finishes??

FYI:

Powerpoint by coach Chapman showing Jefferson's training outline for 6 months leading up to 3.56 and 3.57 miles indoor. Aerobic approach to train milers.

http://meetentry.tripod.com/

Scroll down to: ***Midwest Distance Summit - Power Point slides, then download the file.

thanks

Well Done. You are correct.

And those girls were better looking the first night I went there.

that was a great week. I spent a fair amount of time in the bar with martin, lou duesing and others allowing the waiters to practice their english conversing with us -- you belive that, right? glad to have briefly met you (i doubt you would remember me).