Wisconisn at Big 10's

the excuses are starting early

Stress Fractures? You heard wrong, all are healthy and will be ready to roll come Nationals.

why though? wrote:

Why does Gary have them doing hill repeats 2 days beofre one of their toughest cross country invitationals of the year? That is probably why Michigan and Iowa beat them; it doesn't make any sense!

Partly because Gary obviously doesn't care about a meet that is practically at the BEGINNING of the season, and puts more emphasis on the END of the season, I.E.- Big 10's & NCAA.

Ohio State obviously knows how to peak for Big 10s

1. Wisconsin

1 2 3 6 11 (13) (21) = 23

2. Indiana

8 9 19 24 44 (66) = 104

3. Iowa

14 16 18 27 35 (38) (42) = 110

4. Minnesota

4 10 29 32 49 (56) (57) = 124

5. Michigan

5 23 30 31 36 (45) (47) = 125

6. Ohio State

7 15 25 34 46 (53) (62) = 127

Almost top half!!

Forgot to mention that was the 2004 Big Ten championships

big ten level athlete wrote:

Forgot to mention that was the 2004 Big Ten championships

You also forgot to mention that OSU red-shirted two of their top guys for this year...but you most likely already knew that, because you seem to know everything

3 of there top 4 guys last year

#1trackhouse wrote:

3 of there top 4 guys last year

See, even I am wrong sometimes. Rarely. Actually only 5 times my entire life, this makes 6 now. I counted.

Ok smart ass, let's break this down as you are all knowing. Much more than most of US on the board.

Here are OSU's placings in the last 8 years

1997-7

1998-6

1999-4

2000-6

2001-5

2002-2

2003-4

2004-6

Averaging these placings = 40/8= 5th

Is this really peaking? If so, I would then say you need to appreciate how BAD OSU is if this is peaking.

Now, Wisconsin

1997-2

1998-3

1999-1

2000-1

2001-1

2002-1

2003-1

2004-1

Averaging these placings = 11/8= 1.38th place

I would consider that peaking, more or less.

So, I await your dumb comment.

I would also like to reiterate that dumb people don't know they are wrong. That is why they are dumb.

But, I'm sure you don't qualify, do you?

OSU sucked before Gary got there. he has built that program. Wait a few more years its gonna get nuts. JEff see is gonna be amazing

Guys, do you homework. At least read words. Yes, just like your English teacher taught your. He has been there EIGHT (8) YEARS!!!!.

Robert Gary, who will enter his ninth season as cross country head coach and track and field distance coach, has continued his running career through the 2005 season. In 2004, he became the fifth former Buckeye to gain a bid to two separate U.S. Olympic teams and last year he continued running by competing in the 2005 USA Nationals. Gary, a 1996 participant at the Atlanta Games, placed third in the men's steeplechase at the Olympic Trials with a career-best 8:19.46. His third-place finish gained an automatic bid on the U.S. team headed to Athens, Greece for the 2004 Olympic Games.

http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/c-xc/mtt/gary_robert00.html

Even though recruiting is definitely a vital aspect of college coaching, I judge coaches in this manner: How would each do if the coaches were to trade team members? Coach the opposite team. I have no opinion as to which is the better coach or program, but if you are comparing the talent that goes to Wisconsin versus the talent that goes to Ohio State, it is apples and oranges.

Talent wise it really is apples to oranges. I do agree that he is a terrific coach; people need to realize there is much more behind how you place than who can develop their kids best. Recruiting is obviously huge. Two words can sum up why OSU hasn't been right there with say Michigan (Wisconisn is in a whole other world with Colorado,Arkansas and perhaps Stanford) for cross country results - Russ Rodgers.

who knows wrote:

Two words can sum up why OSU hasn't been right there with say Michigan (Wisconisn is in a whole other world with Colorado,Arkansas and perhaps Stanford) for cross country results - Russ Rodgers.

OSU hasn't even been right there with Indiana in cross country results -- and Indiana might be the only school with fewer scholarships in distance than OSU in the Big Ten.

Using the example that another poster listed -- place at Big Tens:

OSU

1999-4

2000-6

2001-5

2002-2

2003-4

2004-6

*AVG PLACE - 4.5

Indiana

1999-5

2000-2

2001-4

2002-4

2003-3

2004-2

*AVG PLACE - 3.3

and for fun -- here is Michigan over those same years

Michigan

1999-2

2000-7

2001-2

2002-3

2003-2

2004-5

*AVG PLACE - 3.5

Everybody wants to get down on all fours and blow Gary and Warhurst (or blow Gary and blast WarHURTS). Yes, Gary has developed some great local talent. So has Indiana - mostly Indiana guys with some footlocker talent from out of state. No different than OSU with Fisher and Glaz from out of state. Michigan --- I won't even go there.

I would consider that peaking, more or less.

Then you would be wrong...

I would have to go with less on that one, chief. Peaking is to achieve one's maxmimum ability; it does not mean to win or to beat another team with an altogether different ability level. It is relative to oneself and is internal, not external.

Anyway, I would hope Wisconsin doesn't peak at conference as it would be a bad idea to do that with almost a month left in the season.

Also, I have no stake in this argument as I am actually an Arkansas fan.

I enjoyed your comments and will look forward to our future discourse.

-Hog Fan

i\'d be willing to bet that Indiana and OSU definately do not give out the least distance scholarships in the Big Ten. I don\'t have any figures, not sure who might, but I can\'t imagine schools like Purdue, Illinois, and maybe Penn State give out more athletic scholarships in distance than Indiana and OSU (MSU I know very little about, likely have more, but i am quite ignorant to their situation)

Why do you think pilkington left Illinois, no money, no support from head coach.

I've had 1st hand experience with the head track coach at Ohio State and can absolutely believe it. With the exception of 1-2 guys, the OSU roster is made up of Ohio guys. Indiana has a ton of in-state, but their big 3 are definitely out-of state in Jeffersens and Haas. I would bet Wisconsin and Michigan have the most by far with Iowa perhaps close as far as money in the distances go. Remember, there is no such thing as a cross country scholarship so Head track coaches decide how much. Warhurst and Iowa are head coaches, Wisconsin has always had a great amount invested, where Indiana and Ohio are at the mercy of the track coaches.