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rojo
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Times Are Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 6:36PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Don't cheat and look it up. I was doing some research today and came across an interesting stat.

Make your predictions below.

I'll post the answer when I feel like it.
deanouk
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 4:17PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1:44.3!!
deanouk
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 4:20PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:

Don't cheat and look it up. I was doing some research today and came across an interesting stat.

Make your predictions below.

I'll post the answer when I feel like it.


I've looked it up now, but won't spoil it for you. I'll give a clue though by saying it wasn't as "bad" as Ovett's fastest time the year he won the Olympic title!
elg
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 4:25PM - in reply to deanouk Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1:46.50,

or did it match the olympic A, or maybe just a couple tenths under?
Guy in back
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 4:43PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Times are overrated? Give me a break. Don't tell Bekele, Geb, El G, Rudisha.
America Firster
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 5:40PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nils Schumann also won an OLY medal without posting a particularly fast time.

However, with Rudisha in the race and barring injury/collision, if you can't go sub 1:43:00 you cannot win the 2012 Gold (and going sub 1:43.00 could leave you sans medal)
Azaleas
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 5:55PM - in reply to America Firster Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
After watching that WR attempt on Friday, I'm inclined to say if you can't run 1:41-mid you aren't in the medal hunt. Rudisha got so little help from the pacer that it was basically a solo run.

I'm gonna say 1:44.3 for Bungei in 2008.
Azaleas
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 6:02PM - in reply to Azaleas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
*gold medal hunt
um...yeah
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 6:10PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:I'll post the answer when I feel like it.


really? aren't we special?
My Name is Judge
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 6:32PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm going to say to it was the 1:44.5 or whatever that he ran in the Olympic final
Yanqui
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 7:35PM - in reply to My Name is Judge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Rudisha has changed this event. No "slow" guy is gonna win this.
Hobo w/shotgun
RE: Times Are Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 7:51PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Times are only overrated in the 800 in all other events they seem to matter quite a bit. Yes it is interesting that for some reason anyone can win an 800 OG or WC final if they just have a good race even someone who was the 15th fastest guy that year. I doubt you will find that in any other event.
rojo
co-founder
RE: Times Are Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 7:51PM - in reply to My Name is Judge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Going into the Olympics, his best time of the year was the 1:45.08 he ran at the Kenyan Trials.

(He actually ran 1:46.99 in Doha on May 9th and 1:48.96 in Torino on June 6th).

At the Olympics, he ran 1:44.65.

After the Olympics, he ran 1:44.63.
Consider This
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 8:06PM - in reply to Guy in back Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Guy in back wrote:

Times are overrated? Give me a break. Don't tell Bekele, Geb, El G, Rudisha.


Paula Radcliffe, Paul Tergat (I'm thinking of the '04 marathon here), Sebastian Coe and Ron Clarke already know.
Guy in back
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 8:19PM - in reply to Consider This Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You are right, all us armchair Olympians have a shot. Please, faster runners are the rule, the exception being guys who are slightly not as fast. Just qualifying for the Olympics means you ran "elite times." And more often than not, the guys who times are more elite than the others win the Olympics.
spokanexc
RE: Times Are Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 8:23PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:

Going into the Olympics, his best time of the year was the 1:45.08 he ran at the Kenyan Trials.

(He actually ran 1:46.99 in Doha on May 9th and 1:48.96 in Torino on June 6th).

At the Olympics, he ran 1:44.65.

After the Olympics, he ran 1:44.63.


so if times don't matter then what was the point of the front page headlines about rupp being close to/likely out of the 5k medal hunt after the paris times...

also, wouldn't it make sense to bring up the fact that rupp beat a good amount of those guys at pre instead of saying they are now favored over him, and that if the heat bothered the guys at pre who ran fast at paris, it likely would have a similar effect on rupp?

just interesting how conveniently logic and theories are selectively applied...
coach
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 8:29PM - in reply to Guy in back Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yes times are not that important when there are rounds. The world championship and Olympic 800 are wars of attrition. Bungei got lucky. Rudisha is now experienced and in his prime. He's not just fast anymore and he is so much faster than everyone. It will take an endurance trained 800 meter runner with 1:43 speed to beat him. Are there any 800/1500 types out there this year?
has to be said
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 10:29PM - in reply to coach Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

coach wrote:

yes times are not that important when there are rounds. The world championship and Olympic 800 are wars of attrition. Bungei got lucky. Rudisha is now experienced and in his prime. He's not just fast anymore and he is so much faster than everyone. It will take an endurance trained 800 meter runner with 1:43 speed to beat him. Are there any 800/1500 types out there this year?


Huh?

A 1:43 800/1500 guy is not going to beat Rudisha who can easily run a solo 1:42.3 at the games.

Symmonds, is an 800/1500 guy with a 1:43 PR, do you see him winning?
hight
RE: Times ArE Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 10:43PM - in reply to has to be said Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
since when does a running a 1500 once an a while with a mediocre 1500 pr make you a 15 guy. 143/336 isnt coming close.. he was referring to someone like kaki who is a 800/1500 guy (142/331) with the potential to beat rudisha in a championship race.
t94bell
RE: Times Are Overrated:Guess 2008 Olympic Champ Wiflred Bungei's Seasonal Best Time For 2008 7/7/2012 11:08PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I accuse Wejo of usage of the red herring fallacy.
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