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ventolin^3
Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 11:40AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
from another thread, i thought i'd post an opinion, for which i'll get pilloried, but i'm starting to turn towards it


rupp ran 3'34.75
( worth 3'34.2 at even pace & he didn't get a full sprint in the stretch as andrews planted himself in front of rupp, leaving rupp no where to go until last few meters when andrews tired

i think he was in high-3'33 shape in a perfect race with no impediments )

it's almost certain rupp was in heavy training block at the time ( oxy 1500 is not a meet you attempt to peak for when you are rupp's calibre )

that woud indicate that he was in this shape off virtually 100% endurance work

the intriguing possibilty is that when he now sharpens up with some speed work he may be 1 - 2s faster come trials/london

rupp may have 3'32 speed ( maybe even 3'31 ) by the time he peaks this year

this is speed which woud make him as competitive as anyone in a slow 5 or 10k

for serious posters here, i'll post what i think is possible if rupp does get his speed to 3'32 or even 3'31 with sharpening & likely assumption he's down to 26'35 this year ( i have no doubt he couda gone close to 26'40 in brussels with quicker pace from rabbit - 13'20 instead of 13'25, so going to 26'35 in a "perfect" race is not a stretch )

51.8 / 1'48.8 ->

3'32.84
4'49.19
7'25.18
12'45.93
26'36.85


51.3 / 1'48.0 ->

3'31.68
4'47.85
7'23.61
12'44.23
26'35.96


the take home message is that salazar seems to have a superb ability to gauge his athletes

he mentioned that 12'45 was rupp's ultimate target

looking at above, i don't think he'll need to wait 2 or 3y to achieve this

if he sharpens up his 1500 speed as expected & gets right race, 12'45 is something he can shoot for this year, maybe after london if he has an energy left


seeing as it's a quiet few days, worth posting something to get the masses chattering...
Mr. Obvious
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 11:47AM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't think Rupp and Salazar follow the sort of training protocol that calls for sharpening up 1500m speed significantly as they approach race time. They have, for years, been working on speed work at shorter distances in indoor and early in the outdoot year, then moving towards the specific endurance for 10000m as they get closer to goal race. I think it is more likely, based on history and training paradigm that Rupp loses a little off of his short speed as he gains 10000m fitness.
pure conjecture
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 11:56AM - in reply to Mr. Obvious Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
run the numbers for 3:33 and 26:40 and that's your answer.
ggg
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:06PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
maybe even sub-12:40!!!
Well I believe that the Iraq
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:11PM - in reply to ggg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ggg wrote:

maybe even sub-12:40!!!


My calculations say sub 12:35.

But just barely. He'd need a perfect race to hit 12:34.4 - 12:34.8.
the flying dutchman
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:17PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ventolin^3 wrote:

51.8 / 1'48.8 ->

3'32.84
4'49.19
7'25.18
12'45.93
26'36.85


51.3 / 1'48.0 ->

3'31.68
4'47.85
7'23.61
12'44.23
26'35.96





I never understood where people get these from, do you just make it up or is there a website where you get it from?
Well actually
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:19PM - in reply to the flying dutchman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the flying dutchman wrote:

I never understood where people get these from, do you just make it up or is there a website where you get it from?


V3 just makes this sh!t up and then expects people to take it seriously because (oooh) it comes from a formula.

Oh yeah, and then when folks laugh at him he goes into "Idiot" mode.
bangalangadanga
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:21PM - in reply to Well I believe that the Iraq Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
i've been saying all along he's knocking on 12:50's door. I predict he's capable of 12:49.

8:20 at 3200
10:24 at 4k
11:24 at 4400
12:23 at 4800
:27
12:50

it'd be the race of his life.
I LurvCollege
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:21PM - in reply to the flying dutchman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He lowers his pants,then underwear, squats down, reaches behind him, and pulls them straight out of his rectum.
formula
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:21PM - in reply to Well actually Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Well actually wrote: seriously because (oooh) it comes from a formula.

Yes, Rupp would have to take a special formula run 12'45
From here
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:27PM - in reply to the flying dutchman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the flying dutchman wrote:

I never understood where people get these from, do you just make it up or is there a website where you get it from?


http://www.jundo.co.uk/
Mr. Obvious
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:30PM - in reply to From here Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

From here wrote:

http://www.jundo.co.uk/


He wrote this calculator then puts it up here as if it is a definitive source.
I LurvCollege
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:31PM - in reply to From here Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
QTF? Great so this magic calculator also works for horses?Ohboy.
pound per year
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:35PM - in reply to I LurvCollege Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Okay, pay one pound per year for access to a do it all calculator. If can predicate stock prices accurately, I'm in.
ventolin^3
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:35PM - in reply to pure conjecture Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

pure conjecture wrote:run the numbers for 3:33 and 26:40 and that's your answer.


3'33/26'40 ->

4'49.5
7'25.8
12'47.2


that's not bad !

i certainly think he'' be 3'33/26'40 at bare worst later this year
52.43
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:37PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Jeez, Vent, let him run 12:52 that would be superb... You expect 12:45? 7:23??? Come on, you gotta be kidding.
ventolin^3
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 12:58PM - in reply to 52.43 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

52.43 wrote:Jeez, Vent, let him run 12:52 that would be superb... You expect 12:45? 7:23??? Come on, you gotta be kidding.


you over-estimate 7'23 & 12'45

yes, great times, but not unapproachable

7'23 :

hicham ran that with a suicidal 2'26 or 2'27 2nd k which killed him in the end - even pace & he wouda gone 7'20/7'21

morceli/saidi-thief both ran 7'25 after jogging 2k in 5'00+ with 2'24/2'25 finish !!!

tell me what those wouda been at even pace like komen ??


12'45 :

cherono is best example

he ran 12'48 in big race v hicham

they were on for 12'45 at 3k but hicham got damn scared with cherono breathing down his neck & slowed it to a crawl from then until the last lap

it didn't work as cherono blasted him off the last bend !

cherono was worth well below 12'45 that day, maybe 12'42/12'43

go ask canova who was his actual coach

i'm just calling the race as i saw it

just don't put clockings like 7'23/12'45 on pedestals to be worshipped...
Well actually
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 1:01PM - in reply to pound per year Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

pound per year wrote:

Okay, pay one pound per year for access to a do it all calculator. If can predicate stock prices accurately, I'm in.


Me, I'd be happy if it could just predict them. To predicate them seems just a bit too much to be asking for.
Akeem
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 1:01PM - in reply to ggg Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
maybe even sub-12:40!!!

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No. Even a time under 12:50 would be pushing it, and I am a Rupp fan.

I mean 12:40 and you are knocking out 60.8 laps. That is freakish.

Rupp is very good, but he is not 12:45 calibre....yet.
might be wejo
RE: Rupp capable of 12'45 ??? 6/15/2012 1:12PM - in reply to ventolin^3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ventolin^3 wrote:

7'23 :

hicham ran that with a suicidal 2'26 or 2'27 2nd k which killed him in the end - even pace & he wouda gone 7'20/7'21





Am I missing something? If you run perfectly even 2:27.00 kilometer splits you will run a 7:21.00 3k.
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